TSA Begginers Guide to psy production: comment , add , learn , and share
Becktrank
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Posted : Oct 14, 2009 20:06
Hi Elad, first congrats man nice initiative and info on here.
Can you explain better this part?
``so good example would be prog trance who made their trademark on the wiggle rythm , lets make sure everybody knows this one:
1--2--3-1--2--3-
the 1 hit is optional , also you can move that hole pattern 1/16th back of forth (also 1/8 to 'reverse' the groove)
(you can play with this rythm to get fullon cheese bass too when making all the notes in the root and only make melody with the 'wiggle notes')``
I dont understad the pattern, what are the ``-``? and why 1-2-3 and what you mean with move 1/16th back of forth.
Also, i don't know what you mean with the word ``wiggle``. Never saw it.
thanks
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Posted : Oct 25, 2009 20:58
hi guys useful topic but i dont see the any thing related beginners point of view, i have been searching this forum about a week now. although i am new to psy tance but i also produce hiphop tunes but i had to switch over because i was running out of ideas i wanted to eplore different type of music genre, I find psy trace intriguing and also has inner depth to it.
i wanted to know know about this rules,i know rules dont apply to music but basic understanding of psy trace structure.(not the sequence structure)
zebu connection
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Posted : Feb 19, 2010 05:08
K K K K - kick
S S - snare
sp0ok
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Posted : Feb 19, 2010 12:18
@Elad: Brilliant initiative. Can't wait for more.
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Axis Mundi
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Posted : Feb 19, 2010 14:52
Someone please explain dithering in terms people can understand!
Axis Mundi
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Posted : Feb 19, 2010 14:54
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On 2009-10-12 02:56, Elad wrote:
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On 2009-10-11 17:16, Psy_Clone wrote:
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On 2009-10-11 16:25, Elad wrote:
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On 2009-10-11 03:04, Psy_Clone wrote:
Hey great guide here.
Small qustion here, Elad you say get samples
how do you use them? in a sampler (battery for example)
or just use them as audio? and if u use the samples as audio
how do you adjust the bpm of the sample to match
your track?
Thanx......
offcourse anything can work
i personly do the basic loops in FL and later export wav's to work as audio in cuvbase.
sampler can be great idea if it have multiple outputs only imo.
Is it possible to put on each sound you put in the sampler
an FX of its own? or you can put an FX only on the
whole channel of the sampler?
10x again....
working with FL sampler channels - yeah
cubase audio - obviously
battery-kontact - dont use them.. anyone help?? (it should do it for sure i'd think)
also from FPC sampler (FL drum machine) u can route different outputs if i remember correct.
You can do this in Ableton also, and when you get racks involved, it's possible to make quite complex chains.
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Posted : Feb 19, 2010 16:07
sorry for the wrong way!
dreadieg
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Posted : Feb 19, 2010 17:59
quick question: is it better to sample your bass notes and write them with the audio samples, or just write your song with midi and then do your mixdown?
i've had better luck with the samples, personally, but how bout yall?
OpenSourceCode
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Posted : Feb 19, 2010 19:50
samples. definitely samples.
especially at high BPMs, most synths can't handle it.
Hell, most samplers can't handle it! the envelopes basically collapse.
also, regarding Dithering:
Only do it once, right at the end. Don't do it within your limiter. Do it from the bounce options.
Or not at all. Send a 32/24 bit file to your mastering engineer!
nobody has ever been able to figure out the difference between square, triangular, pow r 1, pow r 2 whatever.
i have literally read 4 or 5 completely different and contradictory definitions for each one, from different pieces of software & websites. just mess around and decide which one you like!
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Posted : Feb 19, 2010 21:31
very cool thread =] im looking forward to the next tip!
dreadieg
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Posted : Feb 21, 2010 19:05
ah ha! i have another question, this time abot arrangement!
alright, so how many layers do ya'll have at the "thickest" part of your song.
all my experimenting has led me to believe that less is more. generally kick, percussion, bass, lead and weird pad with interchangeable weird noises (at random intervals).
does it just depend on the song for ya'll?
Elad
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Posted : Feb 22, 2010 13:19
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On 2010-02-21 19:05, dreadieg wrote:
ah ha! i have another question, this time abot arrangement!
alright, so how many layers do ya'll have at the "thickest" part of your song.
all my experimenting has led me to believe that less is more. generally kick, percussion, bass, lead and weird pad with interchangeable weird noises (at random intervals).
does it just depend on the song for ya'll?
in the MOST busy part:
kick
bass
snare
percussion 1
percussion 2
hihat 1
hihat 2
lead 1
lead 2
pad
effects
dija
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Posted : Feb 26, 2010 23:20
One great trick I have found using ableton. Although you may use a software of your choice. I take ableton drum machine and route its midi to audio channel. I record this audio for say 30 secs - 1 min. I am constantly adding new hits/ taking away hits. Changing it up. I then export it dry. I then put fx on it and really twist it up and export it again. I then change the fx and twist it up and export again. then I lay all these loops on top of each other divide into 4/4 sections or 2 measure sections whichever sections are most usable. Rearrange as I see fit. Then divide even smaller to every 1/16 or every 1/8 and I start to play with trading out the dry sounds for the twisted ones. THis is a quick easy way to come up with a variety of percussions for your track and also a way to twist them up in a hurry. You have the basic rythm which you can move around since its bounced and create all kinds of combination effects and different strange stuff. Enjoy!
http://www.youtube.com/user/trawhi (tutorials)
http://www.myspace.com/eusidmusic
willsanquil
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Posted : Feb 27, 2010 01:20
orgytime....that sounds interesting...maybe you could post a link?
and dija, that sounds very much like Tom Cosm's approach to mangling audio -
also, tsabeat...I would greatly appreciate some knowledge regarding leads. I know this is an incredibly generalized statement but I find that there are oodles, and oodles, and oodles of info regarding bass construction, bass patterns, etc. Slightly less info around percussion loops (very nice tutorial by the way) - but I am really struggling with lead sounds...
I see a lot of lead posts that are like 'omg this lead is so great, how do you recreate it' -- and while there are certainly many examples that I can think of that I would love to recreate (braincell, tron, hallucinogen come to mind in particular), I would rather try to make my own, or understand more theory around how they are constructed.
just looking at that 'question' it seems way too generalized, but yeah anything you could say about leads (patch creation, midi arrangement/sample arrangement) would probably be useful
