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~Paranoia~
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That every individual soul has a guardian angel has never been defined by the Church, and is, consequently, not an article of faith; but it is the "mind of the Church", as St. Jerome expressed it: "how great the dignity of the soul, since each one has from his birth an angel commissioned to guard it..
This belief in guardian angels can be traced throughout all antiquity; pagans, like Menander and Plutarch (cf. Euseb., "Praep. Evang.", xii), and Neo-Platonists, like Plotinus, held it. It was also the belief of the Babylonians and Assyrians, as their monuments testify, for a figure of a guardian angel now in the British Museum once decorated an Assyrian palace, and might well serve for a modern representation; while Nabopolassar, father of Nebuchadnezzar the Great, says: "He (Marduk) sent a tutelary deity (cherub) of grace to go at my side; in everything that I did, he made my work to succeed."
In the Bible this doctrine is clearly discernible and its development is well marked. In Genesis 28-29, angels not only act as the executors of God's wrath against the cities of the plain, but they deliver Lot from danger; in Exodus 12-13, an angel is the appointed leader of the host of Israel, and in 32:34, God says to Moses: "my angel shall go before thee." At a much later period we have the story of Tobias, which might serve for a commentary on the words of Psalm 90:11: "For he hath given his angels charge over thee; to keep thee in all thy ways." (Cf. Psalm 33:8 and 34:5) Lastly, in Daniel 10 angels are entrusted with the care of particular districts; one is called "prince of the kingdom of the Persians", and Michael is termed "one of the chief princes"; cf. Deuteronomy 32:8 (Septuagint); and Ecclesiasticus 17:17 (Septuagint).
This sums up the Old Testament doctrine on the point; it is clear that the Old Testament conceived of God's angels as His ministers who carried out his behests, and who were at times given special commissions, regarding men and mundane affairs. There is no special teaching; the doctrine is rather taken for granted than expressly laid down; cf. II Machabees 3:25; 10:29; 11:6; 15:23.
But in the New Testament the doctrine is stated with greater precision. Angels are everywhere the intermediaries between God and man; and Christ set a seal upon the Old Testament teaching: "See that you despise not one of these little ones: for I say to you, that their angels in heaven always see the face of my Father who is in heaven." (Matthew 18:10). A twofold aspect of the doctrine is here put before us: even little children have guardian angels, and these same angels lose not the vision of God by the fact that they have a mission to fulfil on earth.
Without dwelling on the various passages in the New Testament where the doctrine of guardian angels is suggested, it may suffice to mention the angel who succoured Christ in the garden, and the angel who delivered St. Peter from prison. Hebrews 1:14 puts the doctrine in its clearest light: "Are they not all ministering spirits, sent to minister for them, who shall receive the inheritance of salvation?" This is the function of the guardian angels; they are to lead us, if we wish it, to the Kingdom of Heaven.
St. Thomas teaches us (Summa Theologica I:113:4) that only the lowest orders of angels are sent to men, and consequently that they alone are our guardians, though Scotus and Durandus would rather say that any of the members of the angelic host may be sent to execute the Divine commands. Not only the baptized, but every soul that cometh into the world receives a guardian spirit; St. Basil, however (Homily on Psalm 43), and possibly St. Chrysostom (Homily 3 on Colossians) would hold that only Christians were so privileged. Our guardian angels can act upon our senses (I:111:4) and upon our imaginations (I:111:3) -- not, however, upon our wills, except "per modum suadentis", viz. by working on our intellect, and thus upon our will, through the senses and the imagination. (I:106:2; and I:111:2). Finally, they are not separated from us after death, but remain with us in heaven, not, however, to help us attain salvation, but "ad aliquam illustrationem"
 
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..In order to journey into the daimonic realm, the shaman goes into a trance or semi-trance in which he is either unconscious of the ordinary world or only dimly conscious of it, respectively. In other words, in the state of trance (or ecstasy) the Otherworld constitutes his only reality; in the semi-trance he retains one foot in this world, enabling him to relay his otherworld itinerary to an audience. His procedure is analogous both to that of modern mediums, who either allow spirits to possess them fully or who act as intermediaries between spirits and audience, passing messages between them; and to that of hypnotic subjects who are either fully "asleep," in which case, like the trance medium, they have no memory of what they have said or what was said through them, or only partially "asleep" - in which case they are able to describe, and remember, what they (or some part of themselves) are experiencing. It is a measure of the shaman's superior control over his journey, that he is able to remember all that befell him while in a full trance, that is, while he is dead to this world. However, all these states are more or less controlled, if only (in the medium's case) by his or her "spirit guide" or personal daimon; or in the case of the hypnotized, by the hypnotist who, like a guide, sets the agenda for the session and intervenes if the daimons grow too importunate.
the daimonic body (soma) is no more separate from the physical body (sarx) than their two kinds of ego - they are simply two different perspectives. And this confronts us with a disconcerting idea: that our physical bodies are not necessarily literal... The sense that our bodies are literally real is a construct of the rational ego which, while it does not identify itself with the body (it sees the body as its vehicle), nevertheless allies itself so closely with the body as to impose its perspective on the body. It makes our physical reality the only reality - makes of our physical reality a literal reality. This leads to the erroneous belief that, with physical death, we cease to exist. But our physical death releases the daimonic body. Moreover, if we undergo initiatory death, which destroys the rational ego's literal perspective, the physical body is deliteralized, freed from its single perspective, released from sarx, as it were. It becomes, in fact, daimonic. If this is the case, we might expect the physical body, now daimonized, to be able to contravene what we call physical laws.
<<<< Paranoia u r in my minD >>>>
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Moonsun
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Too be or not to be - thats the question of life
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Kosni
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To beer or not to beer - thats the question of the drunks
One drunk man tald me. . .
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mozillas
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the red pill or the blue pill - thats the question of the drugs
one burned guy told me...
Psarades GATZOluomai sta xeria mou exw bafo
Karavanades efyga sta @@ mou sas grafw! |
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PRAYING FAIRY
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On 2006-06-01 14:19, mozillas wrote:
the red pill or the blue pill - thats the question of the drugs
one burned guy told me...
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Gopendragon
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...I WILL BE YOUR GUARDIAN ANGEL...
JUNO REACTOR
intersting words guys although lit bit offt...
but....
hmmm....
... if u r in a party and someone starts to hit u with punches and kicks and u r in a big danger,and sudenly someone came and save you from breaking bones ,surely this one was ur GUARDIAN ANGEL....
~~~~~~~namaskar~~~~~~~~~
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~Paranoia~
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On 2006-06-03 11:33, Gopendra wrote:
...I WILL BE YOUR GUARDIAN ANGEL...
JUNO REACTOR
intersting words guys although lit bit offt...
but....
hmmm....
... if u r in a party and someone starts to hit u with punches and kicks and u r in a big danger,and sudenly someone came and save you from breaking bones ,surely this one was ur GUARDIAN ANGEL....
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Paranoia I.R.A.O. Weed
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Rob0tron-X
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Posted : Jun 8, 2006 00:50
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I feel pity for our "katantia" but if someone starts punching me while i'm dancing i"ll not start the fight for 2 reasons.
1st because i don't like to spoil the party and the entertainment of the other people around me and 2nd it's too easy and coward to kick a stoned guy's a%s.i"ll simply turn my back...
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Posted : Jun 8, 2006 12:35
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turning your back on someone who's punching you can be hazardous to your health! 
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Rob0tron-X
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Yes that's true in the case of a street fight (in that case i"ll not turn my back but i"ll try to give him a lot of "klotsompounidia",xaxaxa!) But now we talking about a fight in a party and i say that i"ll turn my back for 1st reasons which the 2nd reason includes someone of the people of the party stoping the agressive stoned guy (...i hope...)
MUSIC IS THE BEST DRUG... |
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Rob0tron-X
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doirthosi*
...and i say that i"ll turn my back for 2 reasons which the 1st reason includes....
*sorry*
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nick_InZoMNiAC
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Posted : Jun 22, 2006 18:02
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In my opinion anyone that WANTS AND goes to a party with the intention to FIGHT is a complete asshole, especially at a psy/goa party.
Drugs are not excuse,a lot of substances make people calmer and more peaceful, instead, Feel the Love... [except if you arte on speed or some crappy amphetaine or 'whatever sold as ecstacy']
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ktlp
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Cy High
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Posted : Jun 22, 2006 19:11
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What can we do... the mindless ppl try to be special by demostrating their body powers. At the end they always look stupid.
To your question: I would try to stop the fight.
I must admit that when I am not part of the party, sometimes I find this interresting.. I dont claim to be a saint. I even enjoy it sometimes especially if the party is boring.
But my opinion is that it is really BAD, both for the ppl and especially for our misunderstood scene.
However.. if the party is really big, and you see a mass of ppl pushing.. it is like a drop in the middle of the water and then a wave comes around it.. Inspirational.
Some ppl become calm and all this things with the substances, yet some other.. go insane.. become angry beasts.. what can you do.
I think all psy-parties should have a good amount of strong security. It adds to the cost, but it ensures peace. Put the ticket 1 euro up if you have to.
Boom
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