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suomi guy
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Posted : Jan 11, 2007 00:53
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i'm not saying this to be cruel, but i'm not also like most of the ppl here that say only good things, if i got something bad to say i say it, and i think there is nothing good with that label though their intention are nice but yet goa trance is dead for years and this label don't make it alive at all.
and to tell you the truth i think the whole genre is dead, but there are few like Eraser vs. Yojalka, Salakavala, Haltya which makes better music than Suntrip for sure.
  "My single one to cross the ways that have heart, any way that has heart. That way I cross, and the only test that is worth is to cross all its length. And that way I cross watching, watching, out of breath"
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damon
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Posted : Jan 11, 2007 02:56
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On 2007-01-11 00:53, suomi guy wrote:
i'm not saying this to be cruel, but i'm not also like most of the ppl here that say only good things, if i got something bad to say i say it,
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This is a discussion forum, not a church  and you can say whatever you want to say. We suppose to discuss things here right?
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and i think there is nothing good with that label though their intention are nice but yet goa trance is dead for years and this label don't make it alive at all.
and to tell you the truth i think the whole genre is dead
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We ALL know it's dead. BUT I love goa. I don't dig most of the nu psytrance that is being released nowadays (it sounds the same IMHO). So in my case Suntrip brings back all those good memories. And that's enough for me. And for many others. So I would not say AT LEAST "There's NOTHING good in that label".
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Salakavala, Haltya which makes better music than Suntrip for sure.
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I'll check it for sure.
Anyway. Time to get back to the topic
New Transwave on vinyl????????
Say yes please
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WereBear
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Posted : Jan 11, 2007 19:53
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suomi guy, its not by attacking someone who's trying to do a good job, that is going to help. They never said they were perfect, of course they will need to grow as artist. But at least they TRY!
So far, they're making a marvelous job in my point of view. Not only they're fighting the mainstream, they're keeping the goa alive. It never really died, every year new albums are coming up and growing in numbers. A revival goa era would be great, not trying to copy the past exactly, but keeping the spirit and looking forward to new and refreshing ideas.
And by the way, those artist you mentioned, you're comparing psychedelic music with goa. I'm not saying they're good or bad, but is like comparing techno with house music.
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WereBear
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Posted : Jan 11, 2007 19:55
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By the way, the album went on sell today, on psyshop.
Getting my copy right now! |
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suomi guy
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Posted : Jan 11, 2007 20:19
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On 2007-01-11 19:53, WereBear wrote:
suomi guy, its not by attacking someone who's trying to do a good job, that is going to help. They never said they were perfect, of course they will need to grow as artist. But at least they TRY!
So far, they're making a marvelous job in my point of view. Not only they're fighting the mainstream, they're keeping the goa alive. It never really died, every year new albums are coming up and growing in numbers. A revival goa era would be great, not trying to copy the past exactly, but keeping the spirit and looking forward to new and refreshing ideas.
And by the way, those artist you mentioned, you're comparing psychedelic music with goa. I'm not saying they're good or bad, but is like comparing techno with house music.
Old/new school goa trance, will always have a listener here!
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I don't expect my "attack" to help, infact i think it would be better if they were'nt trying at all. So fucking what if they are trying? i suppose to feedback them for it? if they were trying to give food to poor people who got nothing to feed their children i'll feedback them, but for trying "revive" a genre that is dead for almost 10 years and doing a bad job? lol you must be kidding. You want something new? try to invent a new style (as much as it possible), not being a copycats of the real thing. Only the thought of trying to put them in the same genre as Hallucinogen, Prana and Green Nuns make me laugh (otherwise i'll cry).
and i wasn't trying to comparing, lol those Suntrip fellows can only wish to have such uniqe style as Haltya and E vs Y, i just gave the man an example for better music, and since there isn't any GOOD goa this days i gave a psy example.
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damon
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Posted : Jan 12, 2007 02:49
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I don't expect my "attack" to help, infact i think it would be better if they were'nt trying at all. So fucking what if they are trying? i suppose to feedback them for it? if they were trying to give food to poor people who got nothing to feed their children i'll feedback them, but for trying "revive" a genre that is dead for almost 10 years and doing a bad job? lol you must be kidding. You want something new? try to invent a new style (as much as it possible), not being a copycats of the real thing. Only the thought of trying to put them in the same genre as Hallucinogen, Prana and Green Nuns make me laugh (otherwise i'll cry).
and i wasn't trying to comparing, lol those Suntrip fellows can only wish to have such uniqe style as Haltya and E vs Y, i just gave the man an example for better music, and since there isn't any GOOD goa this days i gave a psy example.
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Why do you even bother make comments on music/artists/labels you hate? Just stick to things you like ok? Everyone will be happier.
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damon
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Posted : Jan 12, 2007 02:49
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On 2007-01-11 19:55, WereBear wrote:
By the way, the album went on sell today, on psyshop.
Getting my copy right now!
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Same here!
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suomi guy
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Posted : Jan 12, 2007 12:33
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Why am i bother? because it's called critisism, and thank god for ppl like me here that saying some bad things, it's better than seeing 50 pages on topic with all the posts that includes "killer" "good luck" and a fucking smiley. Excuse me for not being an ass licker like all the kids here that say only good things. This is not an ass licking forum (though it looks like it) and critisism is needed here more than anywhere else (read my topic on the www.isratrance.com section cause i'm tired of repeting muself).
"My single one to cross the ways that have heart, any way that has heart. That way I cross, and the only test that is worth is to cross all its length. And that way I cross watching, watching, out of breath"
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damon
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Posted : Jan 12, 2007 17:09
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On 2007-01-12 12:33, suomi guy wrote:
Why am i bother? because it's called critisism, and thank god for ppl like me here that saying some bad things, it's better than seeing 50 pages on topic with all the posts that includes "killer" "good luck" and a fucking smiley. Excuse me for not being an ass licker like all the kids here that say only good things. This is not an ass licking forum (though it looks like it) and critisism is needed here more than anywhere else (read my topic on the http://www.isratrance.com section cause i'm tired of repeting muself).
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WereBear
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Posted : Jan 21, 2007 06:09
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On 2007-01-12 12:33, suomi guy wrote:
Why am i bother? because it's called critisism, and thank god for ppl like me here that saying some bad things, it's better than seeing 50 pages on topic with all the posts that includes "killer" "good luck" and a fucking smiley. Excuse me for not being an ass licker like all the kids here that say only good things. This is not an ass licking forum (though it looks like it) and critisism is needed here more than anywhere else (read my topic on the http://www.isratrance.com section cause i'm tired of repeting muself).
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LOL. So you think the gender of music that you like, its just perfect? Good for you! Its in fact very nice recommendations, and i actually liked it. If only you made them...
...maybe then, you could give a more constructive ideas then: "this is bad, this is good".
For me, i just hope i can learn how to hate you're kind of music, as you hate goa. But i can't, i'm not narrow minded. And if you really love music, you shound't too.
BTW, killer album! Waiting for the next one!  (Huge ass licking to you dudes, as big as the universe LOL) |
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full_on
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Posted : Jan 21, 2007 08:57
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suomi guy, you have all the right to express your opinion, this forum is the place to do it, in fact I respect you for doing that.
However I completely disagree with you, Suntrip is doing a good job IMO, they are not saying "we are reviving GOA", they're just releasing music they like, which is not mainstream at all.
Other people call their music GOA, because it is "melodic/multilayered/etc", but they really can't do nothing about it, it's a free world. I think it's good to have music with these characteristics being release these days in good quality instead of the crap quality of those old Goa tunes, so that I can actually play it at parties. The same is valid for this Transwave album. If anyone don't like, just don't buy it. (of course all of this is only my opinion)
Back to the topic:
Anyone knows how this Transwave release was made? Just Remastered? Made again from scratch? Other method?
Thanks.
Respect!
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suomi guy
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Posted : Jan 21, 2007 11:52
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On 2007-01-21 06:09, WereBear wrote:
LOL. So you think the gender of music that you like, its just perfect? Good for you! Its in fact very nice recommendations, and i actually liked it. If only you made them...
...maybe then, you could give a more constructive ideas then: "this is bad, this is good".
For me, i just hope i can learn how to hate you're kind of music, as you hate goa. But i can't, i'm not narrow minded. And if you really love music, you shound't too.
BTW, killer album! Waiting for the next one! (Huge ass licking to you dudes, as big as the universe LOL)
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I don't think suomi is perfect genre, infact i think new suomi is shit, it's the old one from 2000-2003 that was great, only very few suomi artists today are good and i think i named them all - Haltya, E vs. Y, Salakavala, all the rest does not interesting me. And who the fuck said i hate goa? i love goa, but REAL goa, from the goa days, not from these days when psytrance is on deathbed, Suntrip is not real goa, it's a copycat of the real ones.
And for full_on, respect for what you're saying, it's my opinion and i didn't ask ppl to agree with me, atleast you're not like the other ones here that acctually getting offended cause they aren't regular to see someone critisise the music they like. And quality is minor next to creativity, and if the creativity isn't that original (like this days) the quality won't make it better. Look at the artist Ect for example, that his sound is trully terrible, but his creativity is amazing even for this days, so who cares about the quality. And if you already mention the quality subject, i respect this Transwave release for example, and also the Re-Releases of Avatar Records that Remastering old cds, but i do not respect a new age label that call himself goa label (and they call themselves like it, not the croud).
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full_on
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Posted : Jan 21, 2007 18:03
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Maybe you're right about they calling themselves a Goa label, but for sure they're not saying "we are reviving GOA".
Also like I said somewhere else, I prefer Filteria over Pleiadians (both their new and old stuff), which means maybe it's a matter of taste. And I like old Goa, the first psy tunes I heard were goa tunes (one of them was flamycogire).
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suomi guy
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Posted : Jan 21, 2007 23:54
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I can understand you when saying you prefer Filteria on the new Pleiadians, after all Filteria is "new age goa" and Pleiadians are full on today. But i defenatly don't agree with you of prefering the old Pleiadians next to Filteria, i think it's like comparing Kindzadza to Simon Posford (not by genre, by creativity), I.F.O. album is one of the most classic and great albums ever made. But again this is your opinion and it's your right to like it more.
"My single one to cross the ways that have heart, any way that has heart. That way I cross, and the only test that is worth is to cross all its length. And that way I cross watching, watching, out of breath"
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WereBear
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Posted : Jan 23, 2007 02:40
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suomi guy, i understand what you saying. Even though, i'm not a producer or an expert to make such a judgment.
You may be right. But i never took the suntrip records as the next goa revolution. They do produce some goa that i like, and for what it takes, i like filteria it a lot. But maybe they know that, and it takes a while to get your own unique style and put up some creativity. It takes time to grow as a producer.
Crappy music always existed, and goa is no exception. But they're giving money, time and effort to make a difference. And by trying, they win a lot of respect in my opinion.
Even though, they are not the only ones releasing goa.... Doing this almost for love, its even greater!
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