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Trance vs Money - who win ?
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Nectarios
Martian Arts
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Posted : Nov 21, 2008 12:25
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On 2008-11-21 12:24, mk47 wrote:
I don`t know if they mean well but most of these psychedelic spiritualist trancer types come across as self righteous pricks , why ?
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Cause they lost their ego on a goa gill party 
 
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mk47
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Posted : Nov 21, 2008 12:44
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lol
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moki
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Posted : Nov 21, 2008 12:45
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yeah. very funny. i am dying of laughter.
the point is that it really does look ridiculous. you are trying to be the big starts or to put the big stars on piedestals. to have the best bitches, and after them even better bitches, cause bitching is never enough for a good artist. and you want to transfer this image of the big pretentious artist who is good professional and deserves money and inspiration and of course first of all drugs and bitches. this is ridiculous and you dont have to be spiritual in order to see it. i am not spiritual, as a matter of fact am anti religious. but i keep to my believes. and if an artist takes 60000 for a gig, he just ceases to exist for me. it is as easy as that. i create my own reality and i choose where to go. and yes in a country like this one where i have spent the last 10 years of trancing, yes there is underground and overgorund. i prefer the first. not only because the music is more appealng to me, bt also because the beliefs are still real and existent at least to some extent for the majority. and even if the best artists of the underground come and take 1500 it is okey. doesnt matter, cause i know that i can have a nice friendly discusssions with them after their gig without bitching and ego driven games. with the rest .....they just go to hell
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Remy [POF]
Principles Of Flight
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Posted : Nov 21, 2008 12:55
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On 2008-11-21 12:45, Moki.Time.Wave.Zero wrote:
but i keep to my believes. and if an artist takes 60000 for a gig, he just ceases to exist for me. it is as easy as that.
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yup, that's pretty easy, wouppp vanished
On 2011-03-08 23:13, moki wrote:
listening only to free music is like having the free possibility to satisfy yourself with thousends of different free sexual acts. |
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moki
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Posted : Nov 21, 2008 13:17
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ja exactly vanished. reality is an opinion. and there could be 20 pages of discussion with people who tell me, shut up, you cannot claim unexistent something that is objectively there. but what the hell. i dont give a shit. in my reality they dont exist. there is not even one place where they could meet me. and their music i dont buy either and i put off any radio stream that is playing it as well as shut up every website where they are reviewed. thats why i left all the bigger festivals too. and i feel good about it. there is nothing better than a good underground party where the majority of people are in the right trip. ( trip does not equal trip). whatever. and i am not even complaining that much, i just explain, but i dont care to change the situation so much. if you cant change anything, you better change yourself or just move away. but long live capitalism will never be. this is ridiculous. if you take 1500 x 4 you even have the average salary that a person with 35 has , at least in some countries. this is not even capitalism. so whatever, of course that people have to take salaries, until the money system fails ( whcih i am prett sure will happen, but to this topic --> demagogurue of the obscurants). so until it fails, of course people take money for their jobs, it is a fucking normal thing and i personally dont critisise that. i critisise the visions, the attitude....
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Remy [POF]
Principles Of Flight
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Posted : Nov 21, 2008 13:41
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im sorry but i don't understand, if you criticize the visions and the attitude, why do you say that if someone takes 60 000 for a gig they don't exist for you?
Money has nothing to do with attitude. I know some electro producers that make shit load of money and are way nicer persons then some trance producers.
On 2011-03-08 23:13, moki wrote:
listening only to free music is like having the free possibility to satisfy yourself with thousends of different free sexual acts. |
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moki
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Posted : Nov 21, 2008 14:55
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of course i am sure there are absolutely always exceptions if we are generalizing anything.
like for instance i saw a topic about labels that never paid which was started by baphomet engine which is one of my top favourite acts or releases and i am sure that the guys must have quite a lot of financial difficulties to start a topic like that or just be very sad of hearing lies and being lied , and they dont do it out of a vision to be the big stars with fucking attitude. or at least i prefer to believe that. so always exceptions.
but i am just talking about the general thing, as in internet forums you cannot mention every exception of the rule, you normally concentrate on generalizing.
60000 is not a normal salary for me. it is done out of ego, out of false vision, out of shit with one word. and since i choose to believe in the better side of the trance culture, and to have it as my own reality, i just exclude such tipages from my reality. dont give a shit that they are artists, just dont respect them any more. they belong to another parallel culture, not the one i choose to belong to. they just dont fit in my difinitions so i just tell them go to hell and i am happy of keeping my beliefs real
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Remy [POF]
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Posted : Nov 21, 2008 15:42
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On 2008-11-21 14:55, Moki.Time.Wave.Zero wrote:
60000 is not a normal salary for me. it is done out of ego, out of false vision, out of shit with one word.
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ah okay it's done out of false vision, hum...
well it's good we have you to point us towards the TRUE vision of things...
On 2011-03-08 23:13, moki wrote:
listening only to free music is like having the free possibility to satisfy yourself with thousends of different free sexual acts. |
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moki
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Posted : Nov 21, 2008 15:58
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no i dont know why do fuck do people say this every time i start to talk here. i dont have the true vision of things, i just have my own vision. you have your own truth and anyone has. i feel all the time here that you dont accept people with their own definitions if they are sure and confident in their visions. too much confidence is not good for you, i guess. but i dot have so much time to step forward slowly on in this forum, and politely explain bullshit, cause i prefer to say it straight on right now. you dont have to follow my truth. but if i get critisised i wanna hear facts or constructive critic or whatever cause talking about penises sucked off by bitches is another nonsense which i have no time to worry about in life.
i guess you can take any other example of artists, 10000, 5000 or 1000 or whatever. this is what i mean. it doesnt matter the money. you can have this attitude even with 1000. you can have it even with 500. the wanna be star. what can i say besided fuck off
but i honestly have the impression in this forum which IS the biggest trance forum worldwide so it must be sort of representative, the impression that people dont accept the truth of other people who really are confedent in their own vision. i mean just let me have my vision or whatever |
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mk47
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Posted : Nov 21, 2008 17:23
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On 2008-11-21 15:58, Moki.Time.Wave.Zero wrote:
...i wanna hear facts or constructive critic or whatever cause talking about penises sucked off by bitches is another nonsense which i have no time to worry about in life.
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how dumb are u man ? .. the guy was just making a point using some colorful language , I see u missed the point completely ..and chose instead , to analyze words rather than the greater context in which they were meant .. typical
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Ascension
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Posted : Nov 21, 2008 18:15
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NTD
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Posted : Nov 21, 2008 19:05
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"talent is exclusive to bands without pay"
seen this topic in so many scenes...get over it,
you need money to make music.
if you think you dont, guess daddy is the one spending the money you use to make music.
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moki
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Posted : Nov 21, 2008 22:35
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mk47 , may be you could try to hold to the minimum of respect needed for a public discussion, and then i guess you could be taken also seriously by the other side. till now this has not been the case , in any topic where i saw you.
i got the point. the point was long live capitalism. and the point was that artists need bitches and cocks. this was the point. and also keep in mind that i dont want to read anything about penises sucked off by ukrainian prostitutes, cause i dont feel it is appropriate to disrespect a whole nation with such a nonsense and even if i dont belong to this country, i think it is totally ridiculous to say that.
ascention: gms is not the top of the pyramid.....there is someone who took the fucking 60000 euros. but i am not here to spread gossips, i am here just because i read enough nonsense in this forum and someone has to tell you some obvious things
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Remy [POF]
Principles Of Flight
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Posted : Nov 21, 2008 22:56
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On 2008-11-21 22:35, Moki.Time.Wave.Zero wrote:
the point was long live capitalism. and the point was that artists need bitches
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Yo, we also need coke, mdma, shroomz, acid a bottle of jack daniels and a black death tequila would also be nice, ohhh and don't forgot the bottle courvoisier for pipe&slippers, thanks!!
On 2011-03-08 23:13, moki wrote:
listening only to free music is like having the free possibility to satisfy yourself with thousends of different free sexual acts. |
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Kane
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Posted : Nov 21, 2008 23:22
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On 2008-11-21 22:35, Moki.Time.Wave.Zero wrote:
also keep in mind that i dont want to read anything about penises sucked off by ukrainian prostitutes
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It's the only reason I'm here..
You believe in the users?
Yeah, sure. If I don't have a user, then who wrote me? |
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