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trance+politics Or trance politics
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Pointy
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Posted : Oct 4, 2004 19:21
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I would also welcome a section, where we could discuss spiritual, philosophical and political aspects of the trance culture.
Change doesnīt come from looking away, or feeling powerless, or just accepting.
Also change doesnīt happen because one complains.
People many time say: I donīt want this, or that, but they donīt know what they want, so they donīt know where to develop to and get stuck in complains and get depressive.
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Spindrift (in the hippie thread):
Anyway, I think it's important that people try to be visionary and have a proper think about history and where we are going.
If there is no vision, things just don't change.
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And if anybody wants to read up on what trance has to do with politics, hereīs a link to an article about it http://www.chaishop.com/divers/frameset3.lasso
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Dimitri
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Posted : Oct 4, 2004 19:30
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Pointy the only problem is that we are similar only in psychedelic music like aspect not other . We all have different views on different subjects . What guy offer is to disccuss about something which has nothing to do with music and with ppl like me who not see anything more than music style in psy trance . |
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lucidpicnic
Lucid Picnic
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Posted : Oct 4, 2004 19:39
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dimitri,this is your own point of view
i think we are similar NOT only in psychedelic music,but similar in life styles and thoughts
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you can see that at festivals...
you can sense the psychedelic comunity.
you should check some fests like Boom
than maybe you can understand it is something to do with that music!
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-Abatwa-
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Posted : Oct 4, 2004 19:59
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I would welcome a section. those who do not wish to see, is not obliged to enter 
 `Bottomless wonders spring from simple rules, which are repeated without end` Mandelbrot |
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Pointy
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Posted : Oct 4, 2004 20:02
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On 2004-10-04 19:30, Dimitri wrote:
We all have different views on different subjects .
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So what?
We still can discuss and say what we think and come up with new ideas and create a vision about a better world.
We also have different views about music and we are still discussing it.
If we can accept different tastes of music, we can also accept different views about "whatever" and exchange and maybe make some change.
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deejayridoo
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Posted : Oct 4, 2004 20:13
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hi there
first of all, youīre both right (dimitri on the onside and pointy/ lucidpicnic on the other).
dimitri is right when he points out that the only "objective" thing we have in common (which is for sure), is the music (...but if we take a closer look, there are already a lot of different views there...)
and, even more important, that ...
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On 2004-10-03 19:45, Dimitri wrote:
Jesus , how psychedelic trance releated to all you list ?
Psychedelic community is idealistic one too same as faschism . In Israel we have "arsim"(low level criminals) when good(shanti ppl) decide who is "ars" by his/her look . Here on forum you all call ppl who not listen and not understand psychedelic music less intelligent or "normal"(in negative sarcastic form).You here fight what music is better .
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there i do agree. any type of "oneness", unity, group-thing can quickly become very dangerous - therefore i plead to change the PLUR (peace love unity respect) thing into PLDR (peace love diversity respect).
yes, we all are very different and have our controversial points of view.
on the other hand, there is the culture thing.
we all pretend to be interested in the subject "psychedelic" which therefore is the very center of our culture.
and there i do not agree on what you (dimitri) say anymore, there i do agree with pointy and lucidpicnic - psychedelic culture is more than just another electronic music style. because if we handle it like another trend next to hiphop/ house/ grunge etc. it loses its purpose (to open the mind through mystical experience/ ego nullification/ oneness with everything etc.) and from there the step towards useless superficial commercial mainstream is very close.
and this, iīm sure we would all agree, isnīt what we want
the term "entheogenic" comes from theo (divine) and "to appear/ to arise" - this is what goa gil is talking about when he says
"Dance is active meditation. When we dance, we go beyond thought, beyond mind and beyond our own individuality to become one in the divine extasy of union with the cosmic spirit. This is the essence of the trance dance experience"
so, we should accept that all this is more than a trend, but on the other side be careful not to become fascist-like trying to create oneness/ unity, where there is grat diversity.
the psychedelic trance scene is very interesting because it keeps the pluralism (mixture of a great variety of origins/ cultures/ music/ taste/ clothes/ social status/ etc.
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enables us to experience "divine oneness with gaia" (mystical experience/ altered states of consciousness etc.).
i even wrote my diploma thesis about it
- in german language, for anybody interested speaking german, i can send it to you via email...
i would also appreciate this section. to prevent fascis-like crap we need a good "threadmaster", thatīs all.
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fire_dance
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Posted : Oct 4, 2004 22:55
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>>any type of "oneness", unity, group-thing can quickly become very dangerous
Not "any", as you mention "divine oneness of Gaia" below, isn't it, Deejayredoo?  Btw consult the dictionary -- "unity" means not just "oneness" or "unanimity", but yet "friendship" and even "harmony". It's not just a union with a bunch of freaks, I feel unity with all the humans, I try to treat them like brothers and sisters even if they act like being possessed by demons; otherwise demons of egocentrism, snobism and, finally, aggression will get hold of myself.. In other words, p.,l.,u.,r. - they're all about the whole civilization.
Just a little remark about 'unity'.. Otherwise agreeing..
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Dimitri
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Posted : Oct 4, 2004 23:35
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Deejayridoo on what you do not agree with me is subjective , personal to each one of us. So i do accept your and others views .
What i like to say , that's maybe the reason of what i talk here . "I believe in god but not relegious" . I do afraid of communities , personaly i read history and know that wider communities harm the mankind more than personal harm . Many of them wish to make good for all mankind but from their point of view only .
I see every community as dangerous because it will have always less racional charismatic members of it who probably will harm . You see yourself peaceful while others maybe not . |
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deejayridoo
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Posted : Oct 4, 2004 23:51
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Dimitri, i couldnīt say it better than you did - my words!!!
totally agree with everything this time!
leave all particular things (religion, taste, way of living, etc.) to the privacy of the beholder.
iīm also very sceptic whenever somebody wants to "help" others (and doing so boosting oneīs ego) assuming he/ she knows whatīs good for me or you...
the beautiful thing in psychedelic trance culture is that this collective element doesnīt emerge from pseudo-unity, which easily gets totalitarian.
unification is very violent, because it ignores the existence of the minorities.
in psytrance it grows on diversity, on tolerance, which is the ability to bear the burdens of this pluralism/ diversity which sometimes can get very exhausting and difficult in everyday life. |
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traveller
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Posted : Oct 5, 2004 02:17
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sorry but israeli psytrance website isn't the best place to talk about politics..
why don't you go to say..
http://www.politicsforum.org/forum/index.php
or if yu want to talk about it with trancers i'd suggest either psynews.org or koolaid's site..
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lucidpicnic
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Posted : Oct 5, 2004 12:26
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thank you mr.traveller
but we know we can talk about politics in those sites you're suggesting...
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again we want a 'trance politics' part on this site,
i think you guys can do better than this...
at least you should say we are afraid of politics?
so what if you open that session???
does it a dangerous thing or what?
can't understand...
can't understand you guys...
do better than suggesting sites!
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EYB
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Posted : Oct 5, 2004 13:03
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No please, we don't want a trance politics section!!
We want a general offtopic section, please please please!!!
peace
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Pt.
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Posted : Oct 5, 2004 13:15
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On 2004-10-05 13:03, EYB wrote:
No please, we don't want a trance politics section!!
We want a general offtopic section, please please please!!!
peace
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agreed!! But as the monitors said when i wished for an general off-topic section. 'This has been discussed. Many, many times. It has been tried actually, and was proven a bad idea as the offtopic section was bigger than the rest of the board combined.'
... lost case? i still want it.
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lucidpicnic
Lucid Picnic
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Posted : Oct 5, 2004 13:16
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we do want a trance politics section!
offtopic?
psychedelic politics can't be Off Topic!
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