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Wako Jako
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Posted : Jul 14, 2002 07:31
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i totaly agree with yuli.
and...
i totaly agree with asaf.
u guys made this overdisccused overused issue kinda interesting again.
and personaly,
i didnt take any chemicals for almost a year,
BUT without chemicals i wouldnt be here.
not with trance.
and not who i am.
but thats just me.
doesnt mean nothing.
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Gilad Refael
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Posted : Jul 14, 2002 07:39
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ok this thread is going nowhere, non of you people even answerd the topic. just the usual trance - drugs discusison.
what i had is a proof (imho).
if space names\samples relate trance and space therefore drug names\samples must relate trance and drugs. if not, how would u explain the drug samples used in many many tracks. |
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Wako Jako
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Posted : Jul 14, 2002 09:37
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space names/samples DO NOT make trance relate to space.
its actually sounds a bit silly.
i'll put a sample of ME in a track, and from that moment it makes ME relate to trance ? ? ?
samples mean nothing.
just an attempt of an artist to make the track more interesting.
[ This Message was edited by: Wako Jako on 2002-07-14 09:39 ] SMILE ! and the whole world will smile right back at you ! |
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Trip-
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Posted : Jul 14, 2002 10:51
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You've got to be a bit open minded here man - there no physical fact or proof that drugs are releated to trance.
Sure there are drugs-kind samples and druggish track names - ppl tend to relate trance to drugs - but that's the same as ppl tend to relate anything to anything... I'll call it: 'ppl are used to {drugs+trance}' or something. Same as ppl are used to eat popcorn at the movies, so everytime they see a popcorn, it reminds them of the movies.
You need to think in a bit open on this subject - nothing is certain.
Trip-
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Gilad Refael
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Posted : Jul 14, 2002 11:30
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On 2002-07-14 09:37, Wako Jako wrote:
i'll put a sample of ME in a track, and from that moment it makes ME relate to trance ? ? ?
samples mean nothing.
just an attempt of an artist to make the track more interesting.
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im not talking about one track... there are many tracks with drug stuff 
anyways, Trip- convinced me a little bit. 
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ps. i hope u proove me wrong
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maybe someone will "enlighten" me completly
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Kaz
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Posted : Jul 14, 2002 11:39
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Well, there are many samples about martians and stuff. Does this mean martians are connected to trance? The Matrix is DEFINATELY connected to trance (I mean, a million tracks used samples from that movie, so it HAS to be connected, right?). So is Dune. Star Trek, definately.
This is one of the lamest excuses to establish a connection I've heard recently. Metallica are avid anti-drug campainers. A track by Aphex Twin has been used in an anti-drug commercial in the UK. So, metal people and definately Aphex Twin don't touch drugs, right?
I just made myself laugh with the Aphex Twin one 
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Yuli
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Posted : Jul 14, 2002 11:40
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Well I am sorry to b totally not PC in this case...
The samples in trax do relate and do say many things about trax in general and the genre in particular.
Like everything in the nature, while the genre was kinda 'virgin' the creators weren't too 'shy' and described via samples their beliefs through samples, and the spaceships? well most of the trippin' experiences are quite spaced out ain't they? So samples like that enhance the feeling of the spaciness etc..
Addict, that is the answer for you about the samples - ofcourse they are connected... COMON man is like saying that one of the most important trax Transwave wrote at the time named 'My Dear Medical Assurance' - is not about MDMA at all... What I advice for you in this case is to take a pill and hour later to hear the track and say what it does ( the part of the tremendous pitchshifters.. )
Addict, Trip- and all... IT'S CONNECTED.
There is nothing to do about it, except understanding that all this thing is a PART of wider and bigger CULTURE that has been rising for a while and PART of it consists of recreational drugs.
Good or Bad?
Different topic pls.
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Yuli
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Posted : Jul 14, 2002 11:48
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And Kaz,
About the Twin and Metallica,
Yeah ppl do drugs to their stuff too.. But different drugs.. Less hallucinogenic. More downers I guess and ( in Metallica's case ) more alcohol for sure.
Psychedelic music is very special and I don't understand this copmarison thing all the time... Different genres demand different use of enhancers
PPL!!!
Last time I swear...
When u try to teach a younger generation something about things that are 'wrong' or 'shouldn't be' etc.. the WRONGEST of it is to deny existance. It will only brings the opposite - attraction. Show the whole picture and ppl will decide themselves if it's for them or not...
Trance scene is infested, obsessed and full with drugs. That's a fact. Go to a party and see for yourself.
You like what you see do it.
You don't like - Don't
GROW UP
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Kaz
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Posted : Jul 14, 2002 11:49
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There's a connection, but the symbiosis ISN'T necessary. The heart of the music isn't the drugs. The music is brain candy on it's own. Yes, people enjoy this music on drugs, so that's always a connection. Yes, people who find LSD inspirational make (in average) more psychedelic music. That doesn't mean that this music is "drug music".
People who suffer from depression tend to smoke more cigarettes. Do cigarettes have a depressive element to them? On the contrary - they are relaxing and help concentration (yes, this was said by impartial scientists).
Yuli, what you are saying is true, but it's a half truth. It's far from the full story about trance music, and I for one, truely believe there is so much more to trance music than the way drugs influenced it.
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Kaz
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Posted : Jul 14, 2002 11:50
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... Or am I just extremely innocent if I believe this after going to a lot of parties and seeing everyone totally wasted standing in a line watching the sunrise (chillums in hands)?
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Yuli
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Posted : Jul 14, 2002 11:53
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I believe the music has a lot to it on it's own, therefore I try to make one that will speak to the listener / dancer that is straight as strong as I can. But I don't deny the connection and that is
The Whole Truth and nothing but the truth.
The choice is yours.. I go for total soberness few years now ( with few minor glitches ) and I find it grrreat!! But the fact is that some years of a person being a trance freak, usually will involve quite a lot of ACID.
Cheers
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Yuli
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Posted : Jul 14, 2002 11:56
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Kaz, Chillum has nothing to do with drugs.
It's connected with Shiva, and the rest is not important.
Bom Bholenat Sabkeisab,
Ohm Shanti
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Trip-
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Posted : Jul 14, 2002 12:07
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TheAddict:
Are you happy now? Look what u did to Yuli he's starting to go crazy!
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Kaz
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Posted : Jul 14, 2002 12:15
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Yuli, with all due respect, the chillum during the sunrise is NOT a religious act nowadays (well, at least not connected with Shiva ). It's used to spike the remains of the LSD in the people's body for the morning.
I think trance is connected with open minds. So are psychedelic drugs. That's the connection (that, and the music being very enjoyable when high). That is just about as legitimate a connection as being jewish and educated (well, much less so in Israel ).
It may be true in some cases. It may be true a lot more than in a lot of other cases. It doesn't make the connection right.
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Wako Jako
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Posted : Jul 14, 2002 12:23
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may i end this "drug-trance" overdisccussed but very interesting thread (10x to yuli and asaf) with a drug sample:
"Drugs makes u realize that everything u learned is in fact just learned and not necessarily true..."
GMS vs. Earthling - Cheesballs
a very good sample and track, imo.
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