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Trance being presented as criminal on Italian tv..
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Bank_Robber_#1_in_Israel
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Posted : Sep 3, 2008 11:35
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Nevermind, more trance you hear, more drugs I sell
  You need people like me. You need people like me so you can point your fuckin' fingers and say, "That's the bad guy." |
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shamanizer
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Posted : Sep 3, 2008 13:29
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On 2008-09-03 11:35, Bank_Robber_#1_in_Israel wrote:
Nevermind, more trance you hear, more drugs I sell
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There you go. Just like i already stated in my previous post, which btw was not a joke. |
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Justin Chaos
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Posted : Sep 3, 2008 13:48
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On 2008-09-03 09:58, shamanizer wrote:
Off with your conspiracy theories. Psytrance movement has strong ties with organised crime and drug consumption is on outrageous level.
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So true
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Posted : Sep 3, 2008 14:12
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On 2008-09-03 09:58, shamanizer wrote:
Off with your conspiracy theories. Psytrance movement has strong ties with organised crime and drug consumption is on outrageous level. I don't have problem with that, but authorities certainly have.
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what do you mean !!! it's the authorities that have turned this scene into organized crime & mass drug consumption -
Free masons , Free masons Children - are the biggest pushers of NON-psychedelic drugs in the UK
The UK military are the biggest pushers of heroin - Fact
''They" [whatever that means] will do whatever they can to turn our so called PSYCHEDELIC scene into pure vomit !!!
Which is not very hard..
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Akbal
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Posted : Sep 3, 2008 16:00
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On 2008-09-03 10:52, NIKTHEQUICK wrote:
akbal....im italian too and had similar experiences before....(party in como area during may day finished on news and national newspaper)
which party was this...didnt hear about it...?!which news channel?
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The party was called: Final Evolution and took place in the Veneto area. The news channel was TG1. If you go to reports on the goabase you will find a link to the video of the news broadcast.
Wish authorities would start with forbidding football-matches ( hooligans are real trouble seekers ) and make some statistics of drug-use in bars, concerts, or even in the congress places among their own ministers. Drugs is being used anywhere, and anywhere there's users and non-users.. But no, their focus lies on us, dancers, musicians and life-lovers.. Grrrrr... |
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NIKTHEQUICK
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Posted : Sep 3, 2008 16:12
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On 2008-09-03 13:48, Justin Chaos wrote:
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On 2008-09-03 09:58, shamanizer wrote:
Off with your conspiracy theories. Psytrance movement has strong ties with organised crime and drug consumption is on outrageous level.
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So true
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maybe in your countries it does.....
i can assure you that in italy the biggest criminal problem/organised crime is the mafia....(four different kinds depending in which region you are)...they control the drug consumption (prostitution, public infrastructure, black market, tobacco, weapons, garbage etc) not only in italy but in the whole of europe...
the fact is no psy producers have anything to do with the mafia...no serious drug traffickers....they are just hippies who want to get smashed...i never saw anyone in a trance party with kilos of coke or heroin...?!
problem is these are the people who get fucked by the police while the mafia lives happily ever after...untouched!!
obviously the police does not what more raves...but the way they present us (as criminals) is just not right...cant compare people wanting to have fun (no matter if they are illegally doing it...which is not always the case) with real criminals...
also maybe you didnt read the posts well enough but...some of the bsuted parties are LEGAL but get treated as illegal squats...this doesnt happen in other countries where legal parties are organised...even if the drug consumption is on OUTRAGEOUS levels....
dont be a fascist like the italian police...
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NIKTHEQUICK
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Posted : Sep 3, 2008 16:19
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On 2008-09-03 16:00, Akbal wrote:
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On 2008-09-03 10:52, NIKTHEQUICK wrote:
akbal....im italian too and had similar experiences before....(party in como area during may day finished on news and national newspaper)
which party was this...didnt hear about it...?!which news channel?
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The party was called: Final Evolution and took place in the Veneto area. The news channel was TG1. If you go to reports on the goabase you will find a link to the video of the news broadcast.
Wish authorities would start with forbidding football-matches ( hooligans are real trouble seekers ) and make some statistics of drug-use in bars, concerts, or even in the congress places among their own ministers. Drugs is being used anywhere, and anywhere there's users and non-users.. But no, their focus lies on us, dancers, musicians and life-lovers.. Grrrrr...
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thanks akbal...will check it out...never been on the veneto side for parties....hope ill have the chance?!
you are right, completely agree: in italy the largest quantity of drug users are here in milan...95% of the 50€ notes has traces of cocaine (highest in europe i think)...ive seen more than one 15 year old buying that shit...! i mean a news channel interviewed 10 ministries and secretly took sweat samples....out of ten if i remember well...5 were found to be using drugs!!!
problems in italy, as I listed before, are all rooted in society....who is not open minded enough to understand these issues...and has forces like mafia and church which prevent any form of action...
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shamanizer
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Posted : Sep 3, 2008 16:29
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Pick any psytrance festival in Europe and you'll find people with kilos of dope. All kinds of dope. Well, probably you can exclude heroin.
And you'll find hippies who are dealing dope. Lots of dope.
Most of that dope comes from organised crime, whether u like it or not.
Ps. All organised crime is not mafia. Check a definition and you'll understand authorities.
Shit, i forgot its not allowed to speak about drugs.
Butterflies, elves and pixies everybody and PLUR!!
Pss. As long as laws are as they are psytrance is bound to be tied with organised crime. |
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Bank_Robber_#1_in_Israel
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Posted : Sep 3, 2008 16:38
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shamaniser, I also didn't joke, my income is from selling cocaine to psychedelic freaks around the globe. And if somebody mess with me, I give him an offer he cannot refuse
You need people like me. You need people like me so you can point your fuckin' fingers and say, "That's the bad guy." |
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NIKTHEQUICK
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Posted : Sep 3, 2008 17:15
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On 2008-09-03 16:29, shamanizer wrote:
Pick any psytrance festival in Europe and you'll find people with kilos of dope. All kinds of dope. Well, probably you can exclude heroin.
And you'll find hippies who are dealing dope. Lots of dope.
Most of that dope comes from organised crime, whether u like it or not.
Ps. All organised crime is not mafia. Check a definition and you'll understand authorities.
Shit, i forgot its not allowed to speak about drugs.
Butterflies, elves and pixies everybody and PLUR!!
Pss. As long as laws are as they are psytrance is bound to be tied with organised crime.
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man we are talking about the situation in italy....otherwise including other countries the argument gets too generalized...
here...the mafia brings the drugs: coke, heroin and ectasy (for obvious money reasons)...apart from x the former two are not used in trance parties (at least not in large qu.)...these two are the most abused drugs, not only in italy, but in the rest of the world too...so the drugs problem is not rooted in trance parties but in other social circles...
then i agree....drugs get sold in raves...drugs are buyed from "organised crime" but why bother about a cough when you are terminally ill...??
second, me and akbal told you legal parties get busted, and the reason are not the drugs but the selling of drinks and charging the entrance....they should not allow them in the first place if they are going to be busted...(in the example given in this topic though the party was indeed illegal...)
countries like the uk, holland, germany etc are much more foward thinking, "letting" the population have these kind of parties but in a "regularized manner"....=more money for the government, less organised crime, less people dying, etc
do you remember proibition....?? never worked and never will....and btw this was how the famous AL Capone managed his rise to power....coincidental?????!!!!!mmmmmm..
bholenath...
btw dont get scared guys....its not as bad as pictured here....KDD and Ilse will blast us hard this week....wowoowowow
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Akbal
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Posted : Sep 3, 2008 17:23
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(in the example given in this topic though the party was indeed illegal...)
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At first the party was legal, after the permissions got canceled (cause the authorities declared it as a rave) the promotor decided to go for it anyways.. New last minute location. But anyways this is only 1 of many examples.. |
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razzz_
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Posted : Sep 3, 2008 17:37
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Posted : Sep 4, 2008 00:08
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A tip: dont name it a party but a political demonstration.
Claim your freedom of expresion/thought/reunion..
And i think the main problem for which trance scene atracts public attention are MINORS (under legal alcohol consumption age) who take drugs gets home and mommy and daddy get scared about their kid. So parents dont want that their kids go to that parties.
And for the drugs problem well here in mexico we have almost 3000 killings in the war between cartels and the state. So if you look that way, anything that looks like a source of consumtion will be overlooked.
And i think we must work for legalization the only way out of this problem. (and it will help a LOT the trance scene)
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frambonas
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Posted : Sep 4, 2008 11:24
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Fuck, we are going to Italy tomorrow to play tehre...
Hope I don't get in jail ... hehe |
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Jedi_knight
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Posted : Sep 5, 2008 10:07
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The problem is that many promoters and many party organazires are real criminals with their choices and they take the people that support them with them!
When your only goal is to make money in this scene your are a real criminal for sure!
Anyway the cops are the first ones responsible for every drug dealing because the drugs always pass through them first and after they go to the market and to the drug dealers.
It is also the state's fault with laws that criminalize the drug users...
The drug user is not a CRIMINAL but a VICTIM!
The drug user needs social ATTENTION and not social SUPERSESSION.
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