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FaceHead
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Posted : Oct 13, 2005 18:32
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If you cant beatmatch you have to learn to call yourself a dj it is KEY!!! fine use a program but what if your computer crashes and youve still got and hour to fill without the regular dj ability you will fall on your face. So its about preparation and versatility use the programs thats fine but also know how to do it for real.
"there is a lot more to mixing in psy than beatmatching, this is not techno"
yes mixing has alot to do with it but anyone can stand there and mix two pads together with the crossfade, but if the beat wasnt matched to begin with they wont build together and come in seamlessly also this means you have to stop the beat every song to mix it in you beatmatch you keep the crowd going simple as that dont give them a chance to stop!!!
ive been to too many parties where the beatmatching was flawed when i hear those two kicks coming in and they are ofset it makes me instantly not interested i cant get to that point that this music takes me to!!! all because the person getting payed money to play music didnt practice.
sorry had to get that out. any good tracktor alternatives for mac i like the cd-1800 its like two realistic dual cd players and a mixer on your screen NO BEATMATCH ASSISTANCE! and i just buy the cd's import them as wavs and all i have to do is take my computer no cd book nothing but the computer which would come with anyway so there is a benefit also with the four decks its nice because you can get the other three cued and beatmatched and spend time throwing in samples or other effects and just mix them all together as needed .
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slyman604
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Posted : Oct 14, 2005 03:14
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i simply do not understand why it matters if the computer beat matches for you vs doing it manually. Its like saying to really learn to make trance you need to learn to play on a keyboard constant 16th notes at 150bpm and dont "cheat" and use a sequencer.
The best thing about traktor is the flawless looping functions it has, you can loop a bar of just kick/bass from one track then instantly match another track to it, throw the highpass filter on the second track then tweak away and play the track over the bass/kick for an on the fly remix.
Traktor 3 will have 4 decks that all match instantly with insert effects, what the hell more could a psy dj want than that(besides vst insert effects  |
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FaceHead
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Posted : Oct 14, 2005 16:54
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im not saying that its bad to let the computer do it and yes traktor has many great features but andis capableof putting on a better performance than the regular 2 decks if used right but you should know how to do it the origional way like in art they make you learn how to do it by hand before they let you loose on a computer because there are certain techniques that are learned by doing it by hand that will be helpful on the computer i was more stressing the importance of beatmatching by any means. but still think you should be able to do it by hand first just my opinion |
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Posted : Oct 15, 2005 22:02
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I am using traktor for a long time now and I had never mixed in CDJ's before . I tried after a long time from using traktor to mix in CD's and it didn't really had a difference . Traktor is not mixing for you !!The sync button can't be used at all situations . U must do certain things before using the sync button that need lots of time so most of us that use it don't do it . I mix manually in Traktor . I have a good pro soundcard and always VBR mp3's at CD quality . I have used traktor in a small club and it was perfect .The filters in Traktor kick ass ...
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Dennis the menace
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Posted : Oct 16, 2005 00:54
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Someone who is using traktor out in parties isnt really worth calling himself a dj.. (Where are the discs?)
Erase it from your harddrive, sell your computer and buy some real gear 
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Pavel
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Posted : Oct 16, 2005 01:04
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On 2005-10-16 00:54, Dennis the menace wrote:
Someone who is using traktor out in parties isnt really worth calling himself a dj.. (Where are the discs?)
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It's a Cj then
BTW you just deleted Sasha and many other skillful dj's from your dj list.
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Dennis the menace
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Posted : Oct 16, 2005 01:24
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It's a Cj then
BTW you just deleted Sasha and many other skillful dj's from your dj list.
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they could stop using it and get back on my list... But i dont think they give a fuck heheh
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jhanna
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Posted : Oct 16, 2005 06:48
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On 2005-10-16 01:24, Dennis the menace wrote:
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It's a Cj then
BTW you just deleted Sasha and many other skillful dj's from your dj list.
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they could stop using it and get back on my list... But i dont think they give a fuck heheh
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i do agree with u on this one |
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FaceHead
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Posted : Oct 16, 2005 07:21
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im sure sasha can use decks as well though. |
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cytopia
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Posted : Oct 16, 2005 12:08
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On 2005-10-14 03:14, slyman604 wrote:
i simply do not understand why it matters if the computer beat matches for you vs doing it manually. Its like saying to really learn to make trance you need to learn to play on a keyboard constant 16th notes at 150bpm and dont "cheat" and use a sequencer.
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I understand Traktor is a useful program, and that it can be used to help in live sets, and is very useful in terms of Dj-ing in places like india, where there isnt always good equipment avaiable. I remeber everyone in Goa (1999) was using Mini Discs doing very rough fade in fade out mixes, and then finally i went to party with two good DJ's with CD-j's and it was absolutely orgasmic in comparison.
Maybe its slightly egoic, but I prefer a DJ who can beatmix vinyle or CD's to one using Traktor. I think beatmixing the result is much more an expression of yourself than getting it to synch in traktor. Learning to mix from Vinyle and later on CD I learned alot about the music just from being busy with it, and in a set the conceration can create a certain flow and connectednes with the music, that I personally would not have just mixing in Traktor.
I think with mixing CD or Vinyle you have more creative control over the mix, and i think the pitch messes less with the transients than Traktor pitch does.
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EYB
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Posted : Oct 16, 2005 12:38
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All people that use cdjs or vinyl are loosers 
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cytopia
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Posted : Oct 16, 2005 13:16
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Spindrift
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Posted : Oct 16, 2005 17:50
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On 2005-10-16 00:54, Dennis the menace wrote:
Someone who is using traktor out in parties isnt really worth calling himself a dj.. (Where are the discs?)
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The difference is that one uses harddisks instead of compactdisks.
It's interesting to note how serious arguements the anti-computer DJ'ing crowd have.
And it's very familiar from many other areas where there is always opponents to evolution.
I must say that I prefer Abeton to Traktor since it gives a lot more creative freedom.
I really wonder in detail what is the additional creative freedom would be in using CDJ's.
Instantiniously throwing in loops and effects in sync with the music is sure not one.
I'm also not aware of CDJ's being able to load VST effects to process audio.
Can they play two tracks from the same CD yet, or do you still have to organise your set after what CD what tracks is on or organise your collection in advance for some preplanned set?
Do they give you instant access to any track you can think of and have it playing at your cue point in a matter of seconds?
Sure it can be good to start from basics and be able to play from CD before mastering Traktor or Live. But if you want to you can learn those basic in the software as well.
The beatmatching is optional, and you can do it manual if thats your thing and what to practice it.
A computer can do everything what a pair of decks can, but a whole lot more as well that you can incorporate in your style if you wish.
But the major advantage IMO even if you choose to just use it as a pair of decks is how organized and accessible the music is.
The only half serious arguement made against Traktor as far as I can see was cytopia: "I think with mixing CD or Vinyle you have more creative control over the mix, and i think the pitch messes less with the transients than Traktor pitch does."
Of course it's extremly vague though.
What CD players have you compared...what version of Traktor?
Was it using a good quality soundcard and did you compare them with no pitching as well?
To quickly pass judgements on perceived audioquality often prooves very incorrect when it's actually tested using ABX tests.
If you think Traktor will sound worse, it usually will. It's a kind of placebo effect well known by manufacturers of audio gear.
One thing that I think people confuse here also is that Traktor and Live can use timestretching. I have not tried the newer CD players that can do that, but I heared complaints about the soundquality on some models at least.
Timestretching will mess up the sound a lot and is a lot harder to get right compared to pitching.
A pitching algoritm is not very complicated, and I would be very surprised if the would be enough difference in the quality of Traktor compared to a pair of CDJ's that people can hear the the difference in a blind test.
Anyway...I prefer a DJ that can do a good track selection, tell a story, weaves it together with at least decent mixes and have decent sound.
I couldn't care less if he uses DAT, CD or Traktor, and I really have problems understanding people who do care.
It's like listening to a track and dissing it because someone told you it's made using Fruity Loops. Kind of sad but unfortunally quite common elitistic attitude.
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cytopia
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Posted : Oct 16, 2005 18:47
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Guess it depends on how it is used.
I have heard people DJ like shit from CD and vinyle....it happens I just got the impression from some DJ's that i saw use Traktor that they were using it because they cant mix. They were not creative and didnt seem to put much effort into making it interesting.
I didnt mean to sound elitistic.
The same people who can mix good with CD's can probably mix good with traktor. Think it has to do with experience, effort and to some extent talent.
My personal experience with traktor is that i find the whole interface and method more confusing then mixing with CD's... i cant touch it.... when i first mixed CD's i thought it was difficult compared to vinyle, because there i could touch the actual record but i got used to it with time
I am sure someone creative can do great things with Traktor, quality probably also depends on the quality of the music used i.e. wav or mp3 etc..
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Dennis the menace
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Posted : Oct 16, 2005 20:52
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Can they play two tracks from the same CD yet, or do you still have to organise your set after what CD what tracks is on or organise your collection in advance for some preplanned set?
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Check out the new denon players
You can even play some of the track without any cd loaded aswell as you can mix 2 trax from 1 cd =)
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