Traktor 3 ... the beggining of a new era for djs?

On 2005-12-06 17:13, Lord Deo wrote:

I dunno dude how's it with you, but when dj works the stage he really has to put some effort into it, otherwise sitting in chair under palm tree and clicking mouse that's every 6 years old kid can do. if you're not willing to work hard onstage, how can you expect people to dance hard for you on the floor???

gotta appreciate the people you playing music for, and if you don't sweat for them, none of them will even lift their feet for you. that's guaranteed. being a dj is not one way street, you get what you give. and if you expect good response from your crowd, you better sweat that ass of yours.

On 2005-12-06 17:13, Lord Deo wrote:
and final word: hard work filters out all those wanker wannabe dj's. don't get me wrong, there's nothing wrong with being wannabe, cus at the end of the day everyone started at that point. but if it wasn't for hard work, trust me dj scene would have been overwhelmed with the amount of so called DJ's, and the art of DJ-ing would have been nothing more than a being cab driver.

On 2005-12-06 17:13, Lord Deo wrote:
Trust me i got no problem with people playing pc's, cd's, dat's or whatever onstage, everyone finds his/her way of doing what they like doing or whatever. i just don't understand why people diss hardware, have some respect - it was hardware where the art of DJ-ing was born and raised. so if you consider yourself a true dj, respect the roots of your art.

cheers

On 2005-12-06 18:55, Rah wrote:

I don't know why you equate hard work with hardware. Someone spining vinyl might tell you are just as phony, cause you ain't using the 'real deal' and Cd's just make your life too easy. My advise is, go and at least test one of the options out there for digital mixing, just to give it a try... just so you'll have a basic knowledge of what you are talking about. mixing... well... with any tool is hard work. What matters is technique, good ears, knowing your tunes, a solid knowledge of eq-ing, beatmaching... is there a tool that simplifies these things more? please show it me then

What you mean, like right now? every other reader in Isratrance is either an upcoming DJ or a producer... my guess is not everyone is good as we could hope (including myself )

Nobody is dissing hardware, nobody... we are just trying to give you a perspective on what it might be and how these cycles usually work, and by god you are either too young to have experienced those changes, or you are just too old school. In which case, let's all switch back to DAT again and join goa gil... either that or let's drop synthesizers and go pack to the piano... gota respect the roots

Because in a world of hardware, there's no other aid to perfect your mixing technique but yourself.

Because in a world of hardware, there's no other aid to perfect your mixing technique but yourself. And ain't talking about CD's, but vinyl records. there's nothing to calculate BPM for you, there's no effects to cover up for the badly done blend and mixing. again and again it all comes down to your ability to listen, match and mix.
while mixing with software and cd's for that matter, many of the basic requirements (for every dj) is done by either cd player or software. Trust me i have tried few pc based mixing tools (traktor included), and my opinion too easy to cheezy, too much of a coffee time.

Oh and if you missed the point, i do mix on vinyls, and ocassionally cd's (just because i couldn't find those tunes on records)...

what i mean is, there's huge number of dj's that shouldn't even be allowed anywhere close to decks, and all of you know it. technology advances alongside with many other factors that made it easy to become a dj, resulted in massive spawning of low quality dj's. Most of those "dj" don't really care about perfecting their skills, spending a time to learn a thing or two, all they care is fame and money and how fast to get there.
just look around and be honest with yourself: on how many parties you felt that dj grabbed you by your soul?
Me, personally, i'd say out of 10 parties probably only one.
To sum it up: to be a dj - one must forge his/her skills as one.

dude i am keeping up with technology advances, just to see if i'm missing out on something. i don't stay in dark, and it's not my principal to turn back on something just because it doesn't complement my beliefs. nope. I do stay open minded, and i try everything at least once before i make my opinion about it public. just like i said before, i have no problem with what dj will perofrm, as long as he/she puts some effort into it. and i absolutely see no problem with piano, for your knowledge, i find many of piano performances more astonishing then that noise nowadays kids call music.
Oh and i believe Records are much much older then DATs (just for the info).

On 2005-12-06 20:27, Rah wrote:

Just for the record though CDJ's do have BPM counters, and added FX to cover bad mixing just like in software though.

on that same pretext we could say there are a big number of artists that shouln't be allowe anyhwere near cubase. Nothing has made it so easy for the home-based producer to get his music out there than these advancements. Equally, it could be said these people are just doing it for fame and money. My take on it, is hey people got to learn somehwere, and we don't hae to hear these upcoming DJ's/producers if we don't want to, but im sure you agree with me there.

On 2005-12-06 20:27, Spindrift wrote:

But you come accross as trying to tell people who don't have the same ideas about mixing as yourself.
Personally I don't really get along with that kind of attitude.

If you mixing is much more full of soul and skill...then good for you...ppl will recognize that and appreciate what you do.
But talking about how superior you are compared to all the new DJ's spawned from technological advancements is a bit useless and rather give the impression that you feel threathened.

Yep, and i pointed out that fact in this sentence: "while mixing with software and cd's for that matter, many of the basic requirements (for every dj) is done by either cd player or software."

On 2005-12-06 20:22, Spindrift wrote:

If someone think it's of no value to spend time matching the beat of the tracks, and rather focus on track selection, processing and throwing in loops and fx on top of the tunes....then whats it to you?

All i am trying to tell people, is to put some effort into their performance and not rely on those features, and i think i have the right to expect the originality and hard work from anyone who claims to step on the road of art. that's all.
if you see problem in that, well that's your problem.

On 2005-12-06 21:02, Lord Deo wrote:
by the way, it's quite possible to do live re-edits of songs with vinyl. Laptops are not the only ones that can do it. so please don't reffer to mixing on vinyl as boring as you did.

cheers

On 2005-12-06 21:06, Spindrift wrote:

The point I was making is that for me beatmatching is a very small and not so creative or interesting part of DJ'ing....so claiming that there is no skill involved because there is a sync button available is IMO missing what DJ'ing really is about.

it's just in abelton live, whole dj set can be prearanged beforehand, and that's not what dj-ing is about either.