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Kaz
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Posted : May 24, 2005 12:21
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The moment you are going to try and make any form of music that is NOT full-on psytrance that EQ list will sound like shit. Try making DnB like this and it'll sound groovy and clear and maybe even atmospheric like Downhill, but it'll probably sound bland and uninspired compared to artists who are more flexible like Amon Tobin, Nam Shub of Enki, Younger Brother or whatever. Even when making psytrance, sure - you may sound like Astrix, but you'll never get a monster track like Tim Schuldt - Absurd out from your studio with that attitude.
There's the HOMMega "formula" for soundwork, which includes a shitload of EQing, compressing the f*ck out of every sound, a lot of careful stereo positioning, limiting the amount of elements used... but even if you bring this formula to perfection, you'll just end up sounding like Infected Mushroom, Astrix or Domestic, maybe with a slightly different atmosphere. Sure, these are three acts that have some of the most effective dancefloor material in the last 5 years, but there are over 50 acts that use the same production techniques as these guys and nobody will remember them in 10 years (everyone remembers Koxbox, who remembers Sundog, Mindfield, Phreaky, Synchro, Kundalini and a million talented others who just did what everyone else was doing? And these acts were brilliant, not just good).
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WAVELOGIX
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Posted : May 24, 2005 13:41
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On 2005-05-24 12:21, kaz wrote:
There's the HOMMega "formula" for soundwork, which includes a shitload of EQing, compressing the f*ck out of every sound, a lot of careful stereo positioning, limiting the amount of elements used... but even if you bring this formula to perfection, you'll just end up sounding like Infected Mushroom, Astrix or Domestic, maybe with a slightly different atmosphere. Sure, these are three acts that have some of the most effective dancefloor material in the last 5 years, but there are over 50 acts that use the same production techniques as these guys and nobody will remember them in 10 years (everyone remembers Koxbox, who remembers Sundog, Mindfield, Phreaky, Synchro, Kundalini and a million talented others who just did what everyone else was doing? And these acts were brilliant, not just good).
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Thats Exactly what i keep saying all the time ., use your Ears and Intuition ..!! will somebody lissen to me now ??
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Get-a-fix
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Posted : May 24, 2005 15:29
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just try to notch down once your mid around 500 and play this area tell me its not cleaner bass (unless wanna get distorted bass)
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u know as a beginner struggling w muddy bass problems this helps me out a lot...thank u tsabeat for sharing ur info no one said u had to follow these "rules"...but reading ur thread teaches us beginners a lot of things...so big up tsabeat don't listen to these guys not everyone is a sound engineer in this forum n some ppl can use all the tips u can give so keep em coming!! 
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Elad
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Posted : May 25, 2005 16:47
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bom ^^
i think the main idea is to keep all sound under your control in any freq.. dont just say its nice and leave it there.. explore why and how u apply this to other sounds..
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db and freqs offcourse is only detected by ears.. i close my eyes when makin the eq and look after to learn .. im not after some rules ..
(plzzz stop bitching about formula fullon - cause its far far away from it..may be try to say texas faggott also formula full on?
well i dont make full on to all those who never heard. and production level is far from hommega..)
anywayz.. another track.. u all can see its very diffrent so dont blame me for being formulated at all..and the presets are not the same also offcourse.
anyone have more nice ideas? offcourse listen for yourself (aka use your ears) is pritty dumm cause thats the first step (what else u listen with ?)..some more advanced ideas/technics plz..
kick - 22-6000hz peak 80hz+- -9db
bass - 22hz - 3500hz peak 110hz+- notch down 500hz -8db
bass2 - 40hz - 1800hz peak 140hz notch down 350hz+60hz-9db
percussion loop- 125hz - 10000hz peak 1500hz+- -11db
lead1 - 200hz - 10000hz peak 800hz +- -7db
lead2 - 250hz - 15000 hz peak 2500 +- -6db
lead3 - (play with lead1) - 500hz - 17000hz -6db
lead4 (play with lead2) 350hz - 1700hz notch down 8000 (too hissi preset but still have quality in 15000 so didnt wanted to cut this.)
hihats - 2000 - 20000hz peak 10000+- -12db
snare - 300-10000hz peak 5000hz +- -8db
fx - 300 - 20000hz peak 5000hz -10db
diffrent mix .. lower volume (fix in master) but wider freq range.. and all more to the right of the eq exept basses..which are 2.. i think it doesnt sound better or worse.. just diffrent.. but still the main idea is the same..to divide the freqs and mix them right..
to sum my posts on this:
i think any sound should be limited from both sides (low and hi end) cause u cannot play them throu speaker to be heard anyhow.. so it just takes place in the mix (keep sub freq.. just conrol them dont let them run wild) and to seperate sounds that play at the same time on same freq.. thats was about it..
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Elad
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Posted : May 25, 2005 17:23
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Colin OOOD
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Posted : May 25, 2005 18:17
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On 2005-05-25 16:47, tsabeat wrote:
i think any sound should be limited from both sides (low and hi end) cause u cannot play them throu speaker to be heard anyhow.. so it just takes place in the mix (keep sub freq.. just conrol them dont let them run wild) and to seperate sounds that play at the same time on same freq.. thats was about it..
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I agree - but lists of numbers are not the way yo do it IMO. They mean nothing without being able to hear the sounds they refer to, and as you've shown yourself, they will be different with every track you write. You don't need to know numbers to be able to top-and-tail the frequency range of a sound, you just have to listen and know what you're hearing - which comes with practise, whether or not you have a list like yours to start with.
Even if you use someone's frequency list as a starting point each frequency still needs to be tweaked by ear, because your sounds will be different from theirs - so what's the point in starting with the list? It's much better in my view to sweep your high-cut down from 20KHz until it gets rid of the fizz that's clashing with the hi-hats, and sweep your low-cut up from 20KHz until the rumble on your pad sound has gone... that way you train your ears right from the beginning.
There are no short-cuts to experience - and experience is the only thing that will improve your productions. You can be shown all the hints and tips you like, but unless you know why they work and when to use them, they will be useless to you.
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WAVELOGIX
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Posted : May 25, 2005 21:17
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On 2005-05-25 18:17, Colin OOOD wrote:
It's much better in my view to sweep your high-cut down from 20KHz until it gets rid of the fizz that's clashing with the hi-hats, and sweep your low-cut up from 20KHz until the rumble on your pad sound has gone... that way you train your ears right from the beginning.
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thts exactly how i trained my ears 
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Predator-X
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Posted : May 27, 2005 18:45
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I found a Group Channel Compression to be very usefull when applied to Kick and Bass
sounds.
It gives your track a feeling of constant
flow. You can't get this with a single track
compression or master compression either.
Does anyone experiment with a group channel
compression???
If yes, what settings do you usually apply?
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