track mixing (pre master)

On 2005-05-21 14:09, Pavel wrote:
but these numbers for me are the ultimate inspiration killers.

On 2005-05-21 16:06, tsabeat wrote:

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On 2005-05-21 14:09, Pavel wrote: but these numbers for me are the ultimate inspiration killers.

it cant be.. i never send u midi file that play your sequence.. nor said which sound to choose.. there are thousends of lead sounds that can be between 250hz to 15000hz.. and im sure anyhow any of you dont peak his lead in 50hz.. right? so i think it can only improve evryone quality offcourse its not law.. but i do suggest spend 10 minutes to make loop with this arrange to understand what im talkin about.. woinder if u realy feel its blockin your creativity.. may be apply the eq after makin your own loop then there is no way i harm your inspiration..

now if u can help me pavel colin and all those who not believe in this.. whats your last work freq map looks like?
im sure i (and may be you too) can learn more always from the difrences between us..
that what i ment to get in this thread ..

On 2005-05-21 16:44, Colin OOOD wrote:
I don't have a 'frequency map' and I really don't think it would help anyone to know what frequencies my sounds are present in, as the next track I write will contain a completely different mix of frequencies - especially where basslines are concerned. It's really not important to me which frequencies anyone's sounds occupy (even mine) - what counts to me is a crisp, clear production (however it's obtained) and, more importantly by far, CREATIVE, IMAGINITIVE, ORIGINAL WRITING. Where is the scope in your frequency map to write a track that has three simultaneous basslines, or a track that has no pads but six different, intertwining arpeggios?

It's stuff like that, that always kill my inspiration. Gotta compress more, gotta EQ more. I always try to avoid it unless it's too obvious and my ears are bleeding.
And my frequency maps won't tell you anything, cause i don't keep em

On 2005-05-21 22:15, WAVELOGIX wrote:


once again 100 % agree ... mate , i honestly think .. as pavel put it ... this post is perfect for people who dont knw what they are doing with the sound .. when i was in the sound school ... this is exactly something i was advised to stay off ...


respect .. chandan !

On 2005-05-21 23:44, Pavel wrote:

...there are no rules when you deal with art.

On 2005-05-24 09:52, TRapp wrote:

its like people who use kick samples and then compress them.....they are often already compressed....so compressing them is stupid, compressing VST bass is also kinda pointless unless you are trying to get that pumpy effect, but if you are compressing a VST bass in order limit the dynamic range, ask yourslef why and what? its VST for fucks sake, it isnt somthing recorded through a mixer and a mic...think about it? but everyone just Compresses it cos thats what everyone says you must do....??

On 2005-05-24 09:52, TRapp wrote:

why the PANNING?? do you always pan your hats and your snare?? thats what they do on Rock n' Roll songs, LMao....
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execly why i do this - to get the rocknroll felling in rythmic side

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THERE ARE NO RULES!!!
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no.. but there are facts.. and most of pro artist i know personly (that sound to me better then myself) agree that there are magic freqs and freqs that evry human rather to hear lets say for example 160 is cleaner the 250.. now offcourse it depends on your basic sound.. daa.. if it have lp filter build in and it cut in 1000hz it realy doesnt matter if u cut it again.. or if its sub is weak so no need to hp it...
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i think one should rather think in broader terms when it comes to EQ'ing...

for example since i started EQ'ing, i do always cut my bass at about 45Hz, i also cut the high out always ,
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thats all i said there.. hehe so u do believe in this theory

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then i play around with the mid until there is somthing i like....but i'd be dammed if i have Eq bass presets ready to go and slap them on every bass....boring
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just try to notch down once your mid around 500 and play this area tell me its not cleaner bass (unless wanna get distorted bass)

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i like how you list lead 1 and lead 2, does this mean you cant have a lead3??? what frequency does lead 3 come in on??
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(just pointing out some flaws in your method)
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this is no flaw.. its just 1 track mix list.. dont u all understand that i never applied this execly as it wrriten.. and im not trying to teach any rule.. just ask what u think.
btw - offcourse u can add 3 leads.. just abit smaller freq range to each one and may be pan should be conciderd .
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also pads....what if you have a very high pad and a very low pad....you cant give only one range for pads either....
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np- just fell free as i said its only 1 example.. if u want kindalow pad offcourse u rather peak it in mid or lowmid.. but again.. im sure u dont do it around 50hz right?
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its simple shit like this , that makes this formula production bullshit...you can only limit yourself this way....
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no one have to
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its like people who use kick samples and then compress them.....they are often already compressed....so compressing them is stupid, compressing VST bass is also kinda pointless unless you are trying to get that pumpy effect, but if you are compressing a VST bass in order limit the dynamic range, ask yourslef why and what? its VST for fucks sake, it isnt somthing recorded through a mixer and a mic...think about it? but everyone just Compresses it cos thats what everyone says you must do....??
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i compress vst bass sometimes.may be not for each preset cause some are realy allready "straight" (vb1-vanguard) but try use synth that play with waveform as real synth so it never comes 4 notes the same (and there are vst like that - minimoog is good example u can also not compress offcourse but i rather that when i change note it still stay in the same feel and volume - so compress it can be gr8 on bass vst)
and i can compress kick whatever it compressed sample or not.. my compressor just help me with the kick roll not to be over volumed.it dont apply on 4X4 kick unless punch is lack.
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think what you are doing...instead of blindly following some silly "rules"

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no its not blind. and not rules ..i listen to it evryday with 100 changes.. and notice to each one.. its basic mathematical freqs.. if u want or not u cant have bassline peak at 7000 cause it not bass freq right?
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there is only one acoustic toool you should be using 100% of the time and the one you should trust the most....YOUR EARS...you didnt even have to pay for them......so use them, listen to what you are making and listen to it subjectively for the max benefit...
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thats exacly the problem.. your room probably aint acoustic and u probably dont have dynaudio (i dont) and u dont even realy hear the truth.. just close to it.

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i am not trying to slag you tsabeat...just trying to say formula music making is severely limited to overall production.
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i agree 100%.. but did you heard something here? its just godamm numbers that i applied from my head just wanted to know what u think.. but i dont believe anyone here realy tried to apply this .. after try u will have something else to say.