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Elad
Tsabeat/Sattel Battle
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Posted : May 20, 2005 04:26
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where u place your bass? your kick? which filter u apply? what is the volume you get to each channel? panning?
kick - 30hz-4000hz peak 100hz+- -7db mono
bass - 30hz - 2000hz peak 150hz+- -7db mono
percussion - 250 - 8000hz peak 700hz+- -9db pan right 20% or stereo loop
lead1 - 300 - 12000hz peak 1000hz +- -5db panned 15%
lead2 - 400 - 15000 hz peak 4000 +- - 4 db panned 15% to other side
hihats - 1000 - 20000hz peak 8000+- -12db pan 20% left
snare - 300-10000hz peak 5000hz +- -8db 10% right or mono
fx - 400 - 17000hz peak free freq -10db pan lfo
pad 250 - 15000hz peak free freq -12 db pan lfo (going as miror to prvious pan lfo)
thats very important to know the preset u start with.. cause it can change alot but what u think? how u c this? am i any close to your way of thingz?
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WAVELOGIX
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Posted : May 20, 2005 13:27
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my bass is always stereo ... |
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z1P^
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Posted : May 20, 2005 13:45
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very nice data tsabeat,
thank you!
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Flake_of_Freedom
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Posted : May 20, 2005 13:53
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Flake_of_Freedom
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Posted : May 20, 2005 13:54
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my bass is also always stereo...
and the Hz it is always change from track to track.
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phobium
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Posted : May 20, 2005 14:47
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Oh my, so many numbers... I was never really good at math so I just try to do what I think sounds good 
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psykoactiv
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Posted : May 20, 2005 15:08
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@ tsabeat.. dats a good fqy range with decibel control.. so "technically" ur quite right.. musically we will have to wait n hear.. 
also.. u could try more spread out pans.. but that depends on wat ur sound is like.. and how YOU like it..
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dr.hoffman
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Posted : May 20, 2005 16:38
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Very interesting post Sattel Battle I guess u make full-on from these numbers.
.I usually make dark progressive so I use lower frequencies. although it does depends on the nature of the sounds.e.g. Bass peak at around 60-70hz depending on the fundamental off curse (and what it sounds like is very important) use a medium Q boost it and sweep it till it sounds nice and full. My kicks are also usually low so they will interlock with my bass I generally boost at around 70-90hz to produce a thumping sound that I can also physically feel. This lower spectrum also allows me to use low warm leads sound and percussion but I usually cut those sounds with 2-3 low pass filters using an EQ to make sure there is nothing interfering the bass and kick below these frequencies .I think the nature of the top end really depends on what kind of sound you are after cos you might like a dirty hat sound with a 15k high pass filter with a wide boost at 8k.
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Elad
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Posted : May 20, 2005 20:25
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thx psykoactiv if you have soulseek i share some older stuff.. (not made by this map tho)
to dr.hoffman first thx for that square thing.. hehe
well i make 2 diffrent projects 1 is tsabeat as dark night or psywhatever and sattel battle is nore happy freestyle trance.. and u right for night i do rather heavy basses offcourse..
btw this post is ment for those who agree that astrix is killer sound production also gow and freq (so u have each genre.. its not about style.. all agree infected have good sound if like the music or not..)
and if someone can list the freq map like i did it will be helpfull
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Colin OOOD
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Posted : May 20, 2005 21:25
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WAVELOGIX
Wavelogix
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Posted : May 20, 2005 21:27
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On 2005-05-20 21:25, Colin OOOD wrote:
I think they should stop making EQ plugins with frequency readouts.
Sorry Tsabeat, but what does Astrix's production quality have to do with your list of frequencies? That's not art, it's science. Break out of your box - throw the list away. I'm sure your music is very good, but if you put your 'map' away and wander over the landscape of sound just using your ears, you might come up with something truly unique.
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100 % agree .... and btw , i dont think Astrix is killer production ! no offences ..just my opinion !
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gill
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Posted : May 20, 2005 21:56
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I cut my bass & kick mostly around 35-45 hz
My voicesamples mostly get their little peak around 1500 hz.
The rest I really don't know ... the rest I try to do as good as possible with my ears.
@ Sattel Battle: Maybe your freq.-scale is more something to try out for the people here? Eventually you can let yourself lead true this list. But I think you still have to try new things. If that doesn't work out, you can look back at your list. But I would see it more as a helplist if you're in need.
Anyway I'm very interested how other people give their sounds in the freq.scale.
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Freeflow
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Posted : May 21, 2005 01:32
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I think it depends on which sounds you want to fit in a track, if you want a heavy lead then maybe you cant have a very bass heavy foundation or mix it as high as you usually do... highpassing every sound you got can take away some of the magic of the sounds... so it all depends on what you want to do.. its not a good idea to have a fixed formula for volumes...
use volume automation... making things dip here and there and rise here and there... just like you use filter automation... this can have great impact, think tension and release.... fading out a sequence into a crash will make the crash impact higher... for example...
lets say you are making a album, in this case it can be good to keep volumes in a even spectrum, but that does not say you have to use the same bass or same kick for all tracks... in the mastering process you can ask them to make the track you feel has most hit factor a little higher..
make a journey... a journey contains ups and downs,
try to make a track where you play around with the velocity/impact of the foundation, first section maybe the kick and bass is at low volume and of course the rest of the instrumentation has to be balanced.. then for next section make the impact higher.. but not night and day differences, just a slight increase, not so you lose balance.... but of course if your plan is to get people out of balance then do whatever you feel
almost like in classical music! be the conductor
this in my opinion can make the track more interesting and grab the listeners attention, because trance can sometimes get tendious and its sometimes crucial to have a monotnous rhythm pattern to introduce trance, but to play around with the velocity can make it a more pleasant and interesting, even if its monotnous...
if you listen to derango you can hear tricks like this, first sections can contain a light bass and kick and suddenly changing to a more heavy bass and kick... but there are of course different variations of this... you could for example introduce a more heavy lead if you make the kick and bass lighter..
think emotions, first minute you are calm the next minute you get pissed off, or excited... well there is endless possiblities if you follow your feelings in music and dont have a fixed vision...
dont know if this has any relevance to the topic, but it inspired me to write these words...
good luck with mixing and sorry that i cant contribute with such map, cause it dont use such map, i let the feelings control what i do...
but sure i could make such map and base a track around it, maybe ill do it sometime and ill share the scientific data with you...
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Elad
Tsabeat/Sattel Battle
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Posted : May 21, 2005 12:44
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New Era Scientist intresting post i try to check some of the trix
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On 2005-05-20 21:25, Colin OOOD wrote:
I think they should stop making EQ plugins with frequency readouts.
but what does Astrix's production quality have to do with your list of frequencies?
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1. i think it might be true after u have dynaudio and acoustic room
2.astrix i hope have alot to do with that (my analizer says so anyhow..also for all other top of the notch producers.)
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On 2005-05-20 21:27, WAVELOGIX wrote:
i dont think Astrix is killer production ! no offences ..just my opinion !
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so i cant agree with you on what is good sound.. therefor it pointless discussion..
and to all.. its not i copied this from somewhere thats expirience of 4-5 years with damm eq's.. and the truth is im realy not the only 1 that got to it.. in some changes offcourse .. and it doesnt meen we sound even close to each other (but we will cut the bass anyhow in the same place where turbosound system makes the crossover) or that it effect in any way on what line i playing.. any style of music or trance have some production guidelines.. its not rules offcourse.. but if u just try it insteadof saying anything u might discover better world then u know.. i did
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