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psy Li Yun
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Posted : Sep 23, 2003 18:12
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who knows but it has to be said things with the trance scene are verging on porn star and moving away from deeper spiritual ideas! i'd hate to dis the scene that changed my lfe but, it seems that it;s about image more than music and connection with other people, in todays scene. however this could be beacause, there are the same people still going to the partys but i think alot of people have been attracted by its underground image , and decided it would be a 'cool' scene to be attached to. Exclusiveness is NOT what psy scene is about, it's for all, however, I see it being used as a tool or a social pedal stool by alot of people. Am I being cynical, bring back the wizards! |
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traveller
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Posted : Sep 23, 2003 18:41
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"who knows but it has to be said things with the trance scene are verging on porn star and moving away from deeper spiritual ideas!"
porn is nice, no?
"i'd hate to dis the scene that changed my lfe but, it seems that it;s about image more than music and connection with other people, in todays scene."
and how did you reach this decision?
"however this could be beacause, there are the same people still going to the partys but i think alot of people have been attracted by its underground image , and decided it would be a 'cool' scene to be attached to."
again, how come? what yu are saying is that they don't like the music but the image? how did yu reach this decision? did yu ask em all? just cause not everybody does acid or other mind fucks or doesn't wear tibetian shirt or doesn't have dreadlocks doesn't mean that they don't like the music..
"Exclusiveness is NOT what psy scene is about, it's for all, however, I see it being used as a tool or a social pedal stool by alot of people."
may i ask how?¨
"Am I being cynical, bring back the wizards!"
yes yu are, take the druggies somewhere else
 "The dinosaurs became extinct because they didn't have a space program."
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Inu
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Posted : Sep 24, 2003 00:48
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Yeah, the growing anti intellectual/anti philosophical slant of psy trance has been bothering me for some time. You're not the only one Psy Li.
Frankly I think it started with artists like X Dream saying "we don't enlighten people, we just make really good dance music!"
tiger got to hunt,
bird got to fly,
man got to sit and wonder why, why, why?
tiger got to sleep,
bird got to land,
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Kaz
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Posted : Sep 24, 2003 00:58
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traveller: In the original message, there was no mention of the "right" style, drugs and other things that are supposed to be in the scene. Just that what used to be a very spiritual experience for people has become a disco in the forest. Which is quite true in certain places (well, not quite as much in Israel as in the US for instance, but it happens in Israel quite a bit). Read your answer, as the way you came through as condenscending, non-spiritual, overly "I'm the elite", and very, very image saavy - you just strengthened the original post.
Sorry to be blunt, but it's no secret that the trance scene is NOT perfect. Yes, it's feeling changed a lot in the last few years, for better or for worse in a great many things. People have a right to bitch about it. That's what ravers do, and that's what we are 
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nobody_3
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Posted : Sep 24, 2003 01:01
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Have you ever tried to just enjoy music?
What have bothered me for a very long time is that you're not part or should I say accepted into the "tribe" if you don't smoke bongs, use the word boom and want to associate the music and culture with higher enegies and almost religious ecstacy.
What about just accepting people for who they are? That was the original idea of this scene! Individualism is the keyword ! |
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nobody_3
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Posted : Sep 24, 2003 01:04
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wow 2 similar posts... amazing  |
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blue elf
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Posted : Sep 24, 2003 01:58
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it's like after the 60's came the 70's, nothing new. so just be patient and the wizards will be back.
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medir
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Posted : Sep 24, 2003 01:58
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...really amazing...in a lack of 2 minutes...maybe there was happend a folded time-cavity ?!?
...i prefer to listen to some shamans instead of some pornies... =(-X<
bom
np: gms vs manitu - the vampire strikes back
experiment !
make it your motto day and night.
experiment,
and it will lead you to the light.
the apple on the top of the tree
is never too high to achieve,
so take an example from eve...
experiment ! |
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technoid
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Posted : Sep 24, 2003 01:59
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On 2003-09-23 18:41, traveller wrote:
psy Li Yun:
"who knows but it has to be said things with the trance scene are verging on porn star and moving away from deeper spiritual ideas!"
Traveller:
porn is nice, no?
Technoid:
Not particularly, nobody fucks like that in real life!!!
Psy Li Yun:
"i'd hate to dis the scene that changed my lfe but, it seems that it;s about image more than music and connection with other people, in todays scene."
Traveller:
and how did you reach this decision?
Technoid:
Too many people at parties standing around in their Cyberdog clothes (although they are NICE, aren't they!) having obviously been on the coke and looking serious rather than 'avin it on the dance floor, perhaps?
Psy Li Yun:
"however this could be beacause, there are the same people still going to the partys but i think alot of people have been attracted by its underground image , and decided it would be a 'cool' scene to be attached to."
Traveller:
again, how come? what yu are saying is that they don't like the music but the image? how did yu reach this decision? did yu ask em all? just cause not everybody does acid or other mind fucks or doesn't wear tibetian shirt or doesn't have dreadlocks doesn't mean that they don't like the music..
Technoid:
Read my above answer. And people usually dance to music they're into.
Psy Li Yun:
"Exclusiveness is NOT what psy scene is about, it's for all, however, I see it being used as a tool or a social pedal stool by alot of people."
Traveller:
may i ask how?¨
Technoid:
If something is seen as 'underground' it commands some kind of respect among the young and the insecure. Many people are desparate to be seen as 'underground', and this becomes more important to people than actually liking something. Kids are totally like (adopt teenage tone of voice) "OH, I go to trance parties" It's been written about as 'sucultural capital', but I don't wish to get into sociology here and now.
Psy Li Yun:
"Am I being cynical, bring back the wizards!"
Traveller:
yes yu are, take the druggies somewhere else
Technoid:
It's not the druggies that are the problem, it's how individuals act when they're on drugs. It's a sad fact but the right drugs can be a big contribution to a good party. You'd be a fool to believe otherwise.
Still me -
I think people just need to remember parties are about fun and PLUR. Let's not get too deep about it, it's a party. I would be into discussing this sort of thing at length on another thread, because I have many strong, confused, and conflicting feelings on the subject and would be interested to hear what others have to say. Just not here and now. Maybe I'll go and start one...
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medir
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Posted : Sep 24, 2003 02:00
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...what a luck that the next 10 years can be achieved "faster" than the 10 years before...
om tat sat
experiment !
make it your motto day and night.
experiment,
and it will lead you to the light.
the apple on the top of the tree
is never too high to achieve,
so take an example from eve...
experiment ! |
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DiMiTry
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Posted : Sep 24, 2003 04:24
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On 2003-09-24 00:58, kaz wrote:
Just that what used to be a very spiritual experience for people has become a disco in the forest. Which is quite true in certain places (well, not quite as much in Israel as in the US for instance, but it happens in Israel quite a bit).
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Just how is US trance scene a 'disco in the forest?' Most trance parties I've been to in the US are very spiritual events. Some of them almost too much so. The scene in this country is very young, and, in a lot of cases, probably closer to the original intent of the music that in a lot of other places.
Even Burningman, which seems to be ripe for commercialism and all the bad stuff associated with it, remains quite pure, everyone participates, nobody is there just to watch, or dance, or whatever. People live in extreme weather conditions for a week to experience what it's like to build an alternative society and expand their minds. And isn't that what trance is all about?
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Apocalypse Now
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Posted : Sep 24, 2003 07:59
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word. Have you ever been to a outdoor party in the states Kaz?
Both teams played hard |
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kriz
Horrordelic Records
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Posted : Sep 24, 2003 09:48
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so much negative comments here these days, why not enjoy life ???
I had a really good festival summer this year, people were having good fun and the scene is very much alive and in action. people from all over the world get together and celebrate life .... magical and happy life ...
I feel like people are complaing only to complain, this is not what the psytrance scene is about !!! IMHO ....
3o~ kriz aka krize 3o~ ....Horrordelic Records.... http://www.horrordelic.com
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tom anteater
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Posted : Sep 24, 2003 12:00
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amen to that kristian elysium, i couldn't agree more.
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Kaz
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Posted : Sep 24, 2003 12:06
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Actually, I've been to a couple outside frisco (one of which was a pretty commercial event), and one in LA (but clubs don't count, so scratch LA)... The whole point is that well - the parties in the US are a little too well organized, to the point where it just doesn't feel like a spontaneous gathering of people who love the music. Spirituality is a personal experience - if you see 500 people meditating, it may just look stupid. If you meditate, it can get very spiritual - the fact that the decoration supposedly gives a spiritual setting is no replacement for a vibe and a proper mood.
Then again, I didn't really know many people in the bay area that are into psytrance at the time (and I was just in the beginning of my posting days in the old forum) probably meant I didn't know exactly how to get to the good ones, but that's an objective difficulty in the US, not a subjective one (at least, it was at the time, about 2 years ago).
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