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Tips on trying to reproduce another song
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robertpull
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Posted : Apr 12, 2010 01:07:59
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Hi, this is my first post here. I've been reading around for a few weeks and found many great tips and information.
I'm a fairly experienced musician ( been playing classical and electric guitar for the past 8 years) but I am new to techno and especially psy trance music.
Sorry if this is not the place to introduce myself!! My questions are coming  !
To learn how to produce a powerful bassline, I'M trying to reproduce another one ( Zen Mechanics - Ground Control v2)
First, I realized that both my Kick and my Bass lack the punch of Zen Mechanic's.
My bass has a fairly similar sound ( I used Zebra with instructions found on another topic) but it's not punchy. I have sidechained it to the kick without much success. I also tried to compress it but didn't give much neither.
So my first question:
How can I add more punch to my bass ( and my kick) without using compression ?
I then realized the Kick I'm using has a totally different pitch/sound than the one I'm trying to copy.
So second question:
How do you reproduce a kick? Do you start from scratch and do a whole new one, or you work froma basic kick and adjust it?
And third question:
What can you modify in a kick other than its pitch? Do you EQ it? etc.
I tried to compress my kick, but it sounded like a dirty hardcore kick, and I didn't like it.
For now, my main tool is FL Studio. I'm taking courses to learn Ableton which I should be more familiar with in upcoming weeks.
Thanks a lot in advance for your great help. |
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makus
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Posted : Apr 12, 2010 01:17
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I would say: carefull sample selection, fast envelopes, eq and a transient shaper!
Sorry can't go more detailed because I didn't listen where are you now already .
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robertpull
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Posted : Apr 12, 2010 01:19
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robertpull
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Posted : Apr 12, 2010 01:21
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If you want, I can upload a .FLP file of what I've done so far to show you?
fast envelopes and transient shaper, never heard of theses. I will search for it on the forum.
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vipal
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Posted : Apr 12, 2010 01:25
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reproducing can help to learn.
but realize its probably harder to reproduce a certain kick-bass combo you like, than its is to make a new good k-b. and there is plenty of info here under the kick and bass -mother sections. |
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robertpull
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Posted : Apr 12, 2010 01:39
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I went through a few ' Mother of all ******' threads, and found them useful.
It will be hard to reproduce something in my head if I can't reproduce something I have on CD !!! |
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orgytime
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Posted : Apr 12, 2010 03:02
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if you are going deeper in psy, you will realize, that kick and bass is the most f*** up thing... it takes ages...
cheers
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willsanquil
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Posted : Apr 12, 2010 03:46
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For analyzing a tracks kick/bass, the most instructive and helpful thing I have found in Live is to drag the song in question into arrangement view, throw an autofilter on it Low Pass'd at ~250-500 (to taste, so you only hear kick/bass), freeze the track, copy it onto a new Audio track, cut out a 1-4 bar section where its only kick/bass then zoom in on the waveform.
with this technique you can see exactly how long each bass note is, and even what note it is - bounce your 'imitation' of it alongside and see what the difference is!
Oh, and yeah, what you are trying to do is probably one of the *MOST* frustrating things to attempt to do. You will likely never get it right, so just be prepared for that.
If you want to make an apple pie from scratch...you must first invent the universe
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opium den
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Posted : Apr 12, 2010 04:42
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Bazzism for kick eq... sometimes i use a high self @ 120 / 150 - 2 db or even more to have a "fat" kick and for basslines like that u can use (cronox 2 or sylenth ) with distorsition like quadrafuzz and a proper eq...
With that ull have a "nice bass" |
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orgytime
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Posted : Apr 12, 2010 11:36
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