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Tips for Bass ""Pro"" Psychedelic Trance
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Evolving Space
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Posted : May 9, 2013 21:12:33
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Hey guys,
I begin this post, hoping not to disturb anyone, I know there are several posts about this, but I would like to ask some questions about How to Make A "" Bass "" "" "Pro" "" "Psytrance" "" I'm focusing on doing a Rolling deep Bass, deep and seriously but sounds fresh and powerful,
1. - Cut Bass below 30hz, 40 hz or 50hz? Do not you cut anything in the bass?
2. - Does using multiband compression? Use Quadrafuzz?
3. - Use compressor sidechain in Cubase? Or do it manually?
4. - Or maybe it's my Kick?
I hope your help, and please that be positive comments and more if they can get the tips Professionals, and I have long trying to make the best possible bassline, Talve this wrong to do that, but I want to start with the good.
I use cubase.
This sample first with cut the bass in the 40 hz
https://soundcloud.com/limiter/sample-1/s-eh6ff
And This is mi project with the sounds and fx
https://soundcloud.com/limiter/nn/s-7fIjl
as can be heard
missing more on track, but I interested the bassline.
Thanks and hope some pro tips
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makus
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Posted : May 10, 2013 11:04
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1. Proper room acoustics. You can't make great sound on a regular basis without hearing what you do.
2. Linear monitoring. Knowing your monitors helps a lot. Playing out tunes where possible incl. big rigs is a must.
3. Ear training. And analytic listening. All the time.
4. Great sound sources and processing. Knowing your tools helps a lot.
5. 30, 40 or 50 Hz? Camon...
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PoM
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Posted : May 10, 2013 14:38
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^^ that sum up well audio mixing production no need to write books all is there  |
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jonsta
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Posted : May 10, 2013 14:43
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makus
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Posted : May 10, 2013 14:50
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from the samples you posted i can say the kick and bass sound quite cool! other things sound worse. lead is quiet not banging at all. drops aren't really original. percussions are also out of place a bit - i would raise them up a bit in volume.
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PoM
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Posted : May 10, 2013 14:52
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on my cans your kickbass is good but the rest is not on par quality wise, not well balanced and beat is kinda weak |
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frisbeehead
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Posted : May 10, 2013 15:25
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On 2013-05-10 11:04, makus wrote:
1. Proper room acoustics. You can't make great sound on a regular basis without hearing what you do.
2. Linear monitoring. Knowing your monitors helps a lot. Playing out tunes where possible incl. big rigs is a must.
3. Ear training. And analytic listening. All the time.
4. Great sound sources and processing. Knowing your tools helps a lot.
5. 30, 40 or 50 Hz? Camon...
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Yep, even with a less then perfect room, you still need to get used to your monitor environment and listen to a lot of music in the "analytic listening" mode 
Your question of where to cut is not a very good one. It really depends on the sound itself and the other ones, namely the kick - those two have to sound good together. You need to find room for the two of them to pass through, so if you have a lot of sub energy (frequencies) on the kick, you don't need as much on the bass. Could be the other way around. |
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PsYmOrPh
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Posted : May 10, 2013 20:32
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i dont know why but i just can get nice sound when i use harmonic eq, even with just sidechain and normal eq i cant get "pro" sounding... |
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makus
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Posted : May 10, 2013 21:24
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On 2013-05-10 14:38, PoM wrote:
^^ that sum up well audio mixing production no need to write books all is there
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pure experience! 
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Fungophago
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Posted : May 11, 2013 00:52
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your bass sounds good...
the kick and bass maybe dont fit perfectly but its ok.
what i figured out when analysing tracks from those progressvie fat bassline guys is that they often choose the key of the kick to be the second harmonic of the bass note so that u get this polka style funktion between kick and bass.
so lets say my bass is in d then the kick is an a, if im not mistaken.
i dont have background in music theory so this really enlightend me
and dont cut anything u dont need to cut
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Domi
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Posted : May 11, 2013 00:54
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frisbeehead
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Posted : May 14, 2013 21:35
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On 2013-05-11 00:52, Fungophago wrote:
your bass sounds good...
the kick and bass maybe dont fit perfectly but its ok.
what i figured out when analysing tracks from those progressvie fat bassline guys is that they often choose the key of the kick to be the second harmonic of the bass note so that u get this polka style funktion between kick and bass.
so lets say my bass is in d then the kick is an a, if im not mistaken.
i dont have background in music theory so this really enlightend me
and dont cut anything u dont need to cut
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you're right. instead of tunning the kick and bass to the same note, you can tune kick for 100Hz and bass to 50Hz (or the other way around) - or something similar - and it will sound good. |
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Fakso
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Posted : May 14, 2013 21:50
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you both sure about the tuning thing?
because a kick around 100hz with lowest, does not provide enough punch in my ears its not rocksolid but bubblegum, same for the bass, higher octaves remind me of old goa trance and not fat progressive basses
I'd say proper env, proper note placement(slight moving), proper eq and comp.
sampling the bassline(+ fading in ableton, dunno about others DAWs, Psilocybians yt-vid about sampling is very helpful there) to give each note a single impact is very important too
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Evolving Space
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Posted : May 15, 2013 03:40
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On 2013-05-14 21:35, frisbeehead wrote:
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On 2013-05-11 00:52, Fungophago wrote:
your bass sounds good...
the kick and bass maybe dont fit perfectly but its ok.
what i figured out when analysing tracks from those progressvie fat bassline guys is that they often choose the key of the kick to be the second harmonic of the bass note so that u get this polka style funktion between kick and bass.
so lets say my bass is in d then the kick is an a, if im not mistaken.
i dont have background in music theory so this really enlightend me
and dont cut anything u dont need to cut
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you're right. instead of tunning the kick and bass to the same note, you can tune kick for 100Hz and bass to 50Hz (or the other way around) - or something similar - and it will sound good.
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Brothers thank you very much for taking the time to answer this thread
I agree with the kick and bass go on a frequency a little below or above, but as it said "Fakso" above 80 hz loses much punch the kick and maybe the bass, the bass could be well, above 80 hz but I I said I like I got a deep bassline.
, asked if cutting frequencies below 30 hz facing up, saying about that several producers talk about it, give a little more color to the bass and reduces fights with the kick and bass, but if and i noticed that in Psytrance is best not to cut and only offsetting other frequencies.
, thanks renderisar help much.
And I noticed that I strive more on the EQ and compression before the musicality, and especially the content.
But as says pure experience
Many times the most simple is best. |
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frisbeehead
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Posted : May 15, 2013 14:31
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Well, when I said 100Hz, I was actually talking about the Kick. And the Kick doesn't loose punch if tuned to such frequency. It's like saying: if your bass carries a lot of sub energy, you may not need as much for the Kick.
I feel the kick only sounds less sharp if there's to much frequencies above 100Hz. Up until there, it still sounds very solid. You can reduce the gain on the 250-750Hz region, making it sound less muddy and giving space for the warmth of the Bass to come through more focused.
Deep Bass has to do with the root note you choose. And also with your programming of the synthesizer in the first place. If your low pass filter is mostly closed, it sounds deep. Same goes for the range of modulation on the filter.
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