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The Tradesman
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Posted : Dec 8, 2005 10:30
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On 2005-12-07 14:12, PsYx wrote:
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On 2005-12-07 10:40, The Tradesman wrote:
You can kept good plugs, they cost a lot and you need to get them made specifically for your ear but ive heard that the quailty is excellent.
Yeh and never blast it out... even at clubs i try to be careful.
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The price is nothing compared to the price u pay when u have permanent damage...
I've been dj'ing for more than 10 years, and was allways advised by other Dj's to get some earplugs, because the damage could be permanent..
I never did this and got some damage after all these years, but not a constant ringing -phew-...
What i'm trying to say is:
If you continue playing at parties, and make money from it, protect a dj's/producer's ears, as they are his/her most precious tool...
I got some friends who got tinnitus, and sure they aren't happy with it !
What's a few hundred bucks on a destroid career ?
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Exactly.
If rember correctly, our hearing works by tiny little hairs on the surface of the ear drum. When sound hits those hairs it vibrates, and then causes a signal to be sent to be brain.
When we listen to high dBs for a long period of time then the hairs become damaged and this is why we 'hear' a ringing in our ears.
I assume that we are more sensitive to high frequencys and this is why they cause more problems ? |
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fregle
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Posted : Dec 8, 2005 20:43
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the tradesman: that is exactly what happens... The hairs for higher frequencies are more fragile and will break first (because they have to catch the tiny high frequency pulses). And the highest break anyway, because we lose the highest ones in the first years of our life.... (20Hz to 20kHz hearing is something infants can do, most grownups go to 18kHz or something like that) |
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NikC
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Posted : Dec 8, 2005 22:55
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Yeah, I've got tinnitus...
But not from hearing damage, but from sound oversensitivity (a form of Hyperacusis).
Useful because I can still hear quite high and low frequencies (up to just about 20khz) but I have to wear ear-plugs when I go anywhere with loud music.
My ears literally can't handle anything at too loud a volume, plus my ears pick up the bodies own natural tinnitus (which everyone has) far too well... which is still like having constant ringing in the ears.
It's good though to wear ear-plugs, it avoids hearing damage  which is increidbly important.
Also remember that you will hear sounds at a similar volume when wearing ear-plugs to someone who isn't.
This is for 2 reasons:
1. Your ears adjust to the sound and basically boost its volume when you wear them.
2. When you don't wear ear-plugs, the bones in your ear which hit against eachother to produce the sound have a muscle on the "mallet" part, which causes a special reflex which tightens up your malleus bone (the bone which hits to make sound) in the hope of trying to prevent hearing damage...
This reduces the volume of what you hear, and is the reason why when you come out of a club or party things sound muffled and quieter for a while. (as well as mostly temporary damage related tinnitus)
The reason that this reflex doesn't prevent you from hearing damage is because your ears aren't naturally designed to be exposed to such loud noises for such a constant time... as sound can only become that constantly loud through (mostly) man made reasons.
Also important:
Hearing damage is mostly not from the highs:
Yes, the high frequencies are the most uncomfortable sounds to listen to, but they aren't actually the most damaging.
It's (unfortunately) the big basses and subs which are the killers.
The reason that the scilia (the hairs in your inner ear -the labyrinth- which percieve sound) in the high frequencies are more easily damaged however, is because they are much finer than the low ones.
Most often the frequency band which becomes most obviously worse first is around the 8000Hz area... this is where an audiometric test will also focus, as well as spanning all the frequency ranges which are most common in human speech.
Last piece of advice:
Watch your ears... seriously
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john_c
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Posted : Dec 8, 2005 23:24
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the body's "natural tinnitus" huh? can u elaborate on this? |
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NikC
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Posted : Dec 8, 2005 23:50
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On 2005-12-08 23:24, john_c wrote:
the body's "natural tinnitus" huh? can u elaborate on this?
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Sure:
In a relatively recent medical test, it was discovered that 95% of people when placed in a fully soundproof room heard some form of ringing, buzzing or whooshing.
This is the body's natural tinnitus.
The cause isn't 100% certain but there are certain beliefs:
1. You hear the sound of your own blood.
2. The unconscious part of the brain produces sound (This has been proved by people whose audial nerves have been cut and can therefore not hear any noise from from the actual ear or inner ear... Yet still hear noise.)
I know this because I was told this on tuesday, by my hearing therapist...
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Freeflow
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Posted : Dec 9, 2005 02:07
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NikC you have a hearing therapist? hehe! isnt that expensive?
i was wondering about ear cleaning,
how is this best done?
all i know is that the wax is good cause it prevents bacteriums from entering the inner ear and it also protects the eardrum from high sound pressure to some degree...
so NikC as you see a hearing therapist i guess you must be informed...
care to tell me?
anyway
I have had some problems with my ears, redness in the right ear and lots of wax in the left ear...
( i work at a nursing home so the the nurse have checked my ears some times)
also i had some pulsating beat in both my ears, like the eardrum is pulsating, but mostly in my left eardrum.. but now im free from it..
i aswell have some minor tinitus, but what can you expect when you make music and especially bass heavy music..
though that pulsating sound started after i had used
a pair of Sony MDR Cd780 headphones with a massive bass respons... mixing some highly compressed and maximized sounds(not my own)
now i dont use them and i have been free from these problems... okej i used them yesterday cause i had my akg k240 at my moms.. but apart from that i havent used them lately... they are great to check if the mix is well balanced... but not to mix in them... and especially not at high volume...
so if i would give a advice it would be to have a pair of headphones with low bass respons...
the bass can do real damage... At parties there can be 110dB SPL-C (if not more) going right into you ears...
whacky!
they should really play at lower volumes at parties...
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NikC
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Posted : Dec 9, 2005 02:53
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On 2005-12-09 02:07, New Era Scientist wrote:
NikC you have a hearing therapist? hehe! isnt that expensive?
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My hearing therapy is freeee i.e. it costs nada, zilch etc.!   (The only example in my life where the English NHS can be good!) It's also because the condition I have has the possibility of becoming less noticeable (although it is still there for life) through psychological means, and they want to find out more about how it works and what makes it happen. Useful both for me and them...
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i was wondering about ear cleaning,
how is this best done?
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Apparently the best way is with ear cleaning drops, e.g. Otex (here in Englad), it is also possible to use: Mineral oil, baby oil, glycerin and even detergent drops like hydrogen peroxide.
If it is serious, your doctor, or an audiologist might scrape out the earwax with special instruments, and in bad cases even do a small procedure using microscopes and various tools.
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True, I'm not sure how much it protects from soundpressure though... Ear-wax is there for a reason
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so NikC as you see a hearing therapist i guess you must be informed...
care to tell me?
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I'll try 
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anyway
I have had some problems with my ears, redness in the right ear and lots of wax in the left ear...
( i work at a nursing home so the the nurse have checked my ears some times)
also i had some pulsating beat in both my ears, like the eardrum is pulsating, but mostly in my left eardrum.. but now im free from it..
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Pulsating is probably the sound of your own heartbeat in your ear.
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i aswell have some minor tinitus, but what can you expect when you make music and especially bass heavy music..
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When you make music your ears become used to listening to music in a different way, as you listen and concentrate on all parts of the music at the same time.
This means that your normal hierarchy of sound (i.e. how the brain determines the importance of noises) is disturbed. This in turn makes you more aware of tinnitus.
Hearing damage can be avoided my mixing at low levels and with breaks every so often.
(it's fucking difficult to stick to that though... believe me I know, but now I can't listen at high volume anyway because it hurts  )
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though that pulsating sound started after i had used
a pair of Sony MDR Cd780 headphones with a massive bass respons... mixing some highly compressed and maximized sounds(not my own)
now i dont use them and i have been free from these problems... okej i used them yesterday cause i had my akg k240 at my moms.. but apart from that i havent used them lately... they are great to check if the mix is well balanced... but not to mix in them... and especially not at high volume...
so if i would give a advice it would be to have a pair of headphones with low bass respons...
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Mixing in headphones is more damaging to the ears... have heard that it affects the way that sound normally reflects in and out of the ear by completely enclosing the sound.
Try to mix as much as you can on your monitors, also avoid mp3 players etc. if you don't want to have ear problems...
Again I don't necessarily stick to this, but it's what you 'should' do.
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the bass can do real damage... At parties there can be 110dB SPL-C (if not more) going right into you ears...
whacky!
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Literally "killer"
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they should really play at lower volumes at parties...
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I don't think alot of people will like that
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Freeflow
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Posted : Dec 9, 2005 03:52
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NikC - thanks for the words...
i got to sleep now, but ill re-read tomorrow and see if i have some comments...
good night
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High Pulse
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Posted : Dec 11, 2005 19:54
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i think that this thing of beeing right in front of the speakers is very very very badd .... its to much power and high and low responses frequencies... even u body shake , now think on your hears !!!!!! i think in partys speakers would need to have like a kind of protection until 2 meters diameter for nobody can go there , sound is perfect after some 15 meters u can speak and dance and have your hears more protected )
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Colin OOOD
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Posted : Dec 11, 2005 21:17
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Distorted sound is very bad for your ears as it generally contains much more energy in the range where your hearing is most sensitive, ie. the upper mids. There are two main sources of distortion in a sound system; amp distortion (where the amp is being overdriven) and speaker distortion (where the speakers are being overdriven). Speaker distortion is less harmful for both speakers and ears than amp distortion, and one of the main reasons why amps distort in clubs is because 1) they haven't been set up properly, and 2) the DJ keeps turning the mixer up.
So if your ears are ringing really badly after a club, chances are it's partly the DJ's fault for pushing the level too hard.
That's OUR fault guys.
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DJs and live acts - TALK to the sound-guy and keep at the level he suggests.
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Mike A
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Posted : Dec 12, 2005 19:47
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On 2005-12-09 02:53, NikC wrote:
When you make music your ears become used to listening to music in a different way, as you listen and concentrate on all parts of the music at the same time.
This means that your normal hierarchy of sound (i.e. how the brain determines the importance of noises) is disturbed. This in turn makes you more aware of tinnitus.
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kuchencle
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Posted : Dec 13, 2005 03:24
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Take care of your ears , had Tinitus myself it s not funny . Had it for about 3 months maybe a bit longer and it still occurs now and then when I listen to loud music well loud is not the problem but crackling and espaccaly high frequencies are . Putting something into your ears to protect them wont help I was told by a doctor you would have to put something all over your ear to be really protected . Anyway there is pretty good medication already , well it helped me . Anyway if you hear it in an abnormal loud way go as soon as possible to the doctor or hospital !!! |
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john_c
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Posted : Dec 13, 2005 16:37
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what kind of medication?? |
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