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Time for the big change???
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noizbox
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Posted : Apr 23, 2005 12:39
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Hi to all!
The last days i'm thinking of switching from pc to mac,therefore from cubase to logic...
The reason that i'm considering this is because all professional studios that it happened to visit and every pro that it happened to talk to is using mac and logic(or pro tools)!!It's also known that this machine is optimized for multimedia utilities,so i think is obvious how does the job better....
I'm using pc's 15 years and cubase over 4 years and i've spend over 7000euros for gear so far..
My questions
How long do you think is it going to take,to get used to the new OS and how much different is it compered to pc OS's?(i've never used a mac)
How long it will take and how difficult is it to switch from cubase to logic?(i've never used logic)
Anyone here that did the big change?
Thnx
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UnderTow
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Posted : Apr 23, 2005 13:12
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I use both Macs and PCs and in most of the studios I work in, they use both. Don't change just because of the hype. You can use both platforms to make music.
What is it exactly that you think a Mac will give you that you don't have on a PC?
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CLAW
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MARGHERITA
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Posted : Apr 23, 2005 13:29
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Hello noizbox,
i agree with undertow, im working on Mac & logic 7 pro with a I Book G4.....  ...... sorry i still waiting money for a G5
logic & mac is very good, user frendly & fast editings & stable platform.
I have work for 3 years into protool & I Book G3&G4, making soundtracks music a lot & when i change into logic :
i less : a little bit quality sound
i gain : in CPU problems for syncronise mpeg & audio tracks (Protool is heavy soft)
i gain : virtual twisted instruments 
BUT : not all the sounds are into this computers system. Keep your PC.
Mac Is very good also for surfing on the web, no virus, no trouble.
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noizbox
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Posted : Apr 23, 2005 13:34
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well,i'm going to keep my pc anyway,but my main set up will be based arround the mac..
I think mac will give me,the best, most modern, most trouble-free operating system available,more reliable hardware, smooth run with no crashes, delays or freezing. I'm i right?
I've also noticed that logic's sound engine and plug ins are better by far than sx's,IMHO.
How difficult do you think the change will be,considering that i've never used a mac?
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MARGHERITA
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Posted : Apr 23, 2005 14:05
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No vorrys is only a operation system 
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Carthago
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Posted : Apr 23, 2005 15:02
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You've spent over 7k Euros in gear and are now considering to hopp to Mac just because people say Mac is better performance and workflow wise?
I believe that's a big mistake :
First of all you'll throw away years of experience and also a lot of money you've spent on PC systems.
Secondly, you seem to forget that a good musician can do good music whether he's using PC/Cubase or Mac/Logic.
The little advantages Logic has over Cubase (if any?) will not really make your music better.
Still interested in switching sides?
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Posted : Apr 23, 2005 15:43
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Yes, i also see a bigger future for pc than for macs.
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UnderTow
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Posted : Apr 23, 2005 16:10
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On 2005-04-23 13:34, noizbox wrote:
well,i'm going to keep my pc anyway,but my main set up will be based arround the mac..
I think mac will give me,the best, most modern, most trouble-free operating system available,more reliable hardware,
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These are vague marketing terms. What do you think you will get exactly on a technical level?
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smooth run with no crashes, delays or freezing. I'm i right?
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One other path you could choose if you are going to buy a new machine anyway is to get a PC that you use only to make music. No internet, no games. Only the bare essentials to work with sound.
Btw, my PC is rock solid. It just doesn't crash. I've seen many Macs crash especially when running Protools. So no, Macs are not more stable.
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I've also noticed that logic's sound engine and plug ins are better by far than sx's,IMHO.
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The sound engine makes no difference. The plugins might sound better though. I havn't worked with all the new Cubase plugins. On the other hand, with the money you save by buying a PC, you could get UAD-1 and Powercore cards which will give you much more processing power and better plugins. You will still have money to spare on a whole range of VST(i) plugins. I recomend the stuff from www.voxengo.com.
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How difficult do you think the change will be,considering that i've never used a mac?
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That really depends on yourself and how quickly you learn ... One thing to consider is if you have any friends that use a Mac that you can ask to help you. That always speeds up the learning process.
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MARGHERITA
Master Margherita
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Posted : Apr 23, 2005 17:38
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You are right undertown, the mac OS is quiet instable.
System OS 9 : very strange stuff , but not hard troubles.
System OSX (then) : better , but not the best, im on 10.3.8 & with the last up date of Logic 7 pro is very stable. Not to much troubles.
I stop to use plugs & others out of logic, is better more & easly.
System 10.3.8 is good for me, no major troubles......
of course the music lead your softwares , is only a machine 
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UnderTow
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Posted : Apr 23, 2005 18:15
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Sorry for not making myself clear but I didn't mean to say that Macs with OS-X are unstable. I meant to say that they can be just as unstable as any other OS if they are not setup properly. The same goes with current versions of Windows.
On the other hand, OS 9 is horrible and quite unstable. Luckily that is a thing of the passed for most people.
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Psylopath
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Posted : Apr 23, 2005 18:24
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out of my experience: NO !!!
a friend of mine is using a g4 powerbook, and he always has troubles
f.e.:
usb connects broke because of normal use of the usb audio interface -> 370€
connection between body and screen of the laptop is buggy -> funny graphic if you have the wrong angle -> to expensive to repair
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all these troubles are well known mac problems, but if they happen to you, mac will not give you any free services. the guy in the shop himself told us, that in last times, their service level is quite bad!
also the point, that a good mac system is faster than a good pc system is not true uin my eyes, because if u spend the same amount in a pc as you have to pay for example for a g5 (3000€),
youll get the hell of a double processor machine !!!
the only point, i cant deny is, that the logic bundle is more powerfull than the cubase bundle, and the sound of logic is maybe a tick warmer.
but you can compense this with good plugs, and at least for my ears, this warmness isnt really that necessary for goa. but this is a matter of personal taste.
so before you invest again a lot of money in a new system, do yourself a favour, finde someone, who is using logic and mac, and ask him if you could work a little bit with it.
boom psylo
ps: i forgot, that the midi system of cubase is much better and easier than the one of logic. could be a very important point for you
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TRapp
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Posted : Apr 24, 2005 17:55
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I dont think logic is any better than cubase, and i in fact would rather use cubase over logic any day...logic was good awhile bak but not any more...besides look at the bigger picture...Steinberg has been bought by Yamaha...Yamaha and Steinberg = Huge force to be reckoned with ....just imagine a Yamaha DAW controller for cubase simliar to that of Digidesigns controllers for Tools....thats the future...PC isnt as limitied as Mac and when windows goes 64bit(i hope) the true power in 64bit processing will be unlocked and Pc as an operationg system will kill Mac...
i think alot of ppl , particulary in trance production circles are allured towards Logic , because they think that because some ppl have siad its the best that they should be using it, i find that here in south africa with ppl i know,...keep on telling me that Mac and Logic are the only way t go for production....just because so and so said so...
Logic is crap in my eyes...wouldnt use it if you payed me thanks.
but anyways each to their own...just remember your DAW system isnt gona make you any a good producer that you were in the first place....Cubase/Logic/Tools/Sonar...its not the software ..but its who is using it...
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UnderTow
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On 2005-04-24 17:55, TRapp wrote:
I dont think logic is any better than cubase, and i in fact would rather use cubase over logic any day...logic was good awhile bak but not any more...besides look at the bigger picture...Steinberg has been bought by Yamaha...Yamaha and Steinberg = Huge force to be reckoned with ....just imagine a Yamaha DAW controller for cubase simliar to that of Digidesigns controllers for Tools....
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I am VERY curious to see what will come out of the fact that Yamaha now owns Steinberg. CNuendo/SX 4 should be a very interesting product. And if they make a similar product to ProTools, they could certainly move Digidesign out of the way quite easily. Yamaha have much more powerfull DSPs than Digidesign. Combined with Nuendo, it could mean the end of Digidesign as we know it.
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thats the future...PC isnt as limitied as Mac and when windows goes 64bit(i hope) the true power in 64bit processing will be unlocked and Pc as an operationg system will kill Mac...
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Indeed. Cakewalk have ported Sonar and the Sonitus FX suite to 64 bit allready and they have found it is 20-30% more CPU efficient. The fastest PCs running in 32 bit are allready faster than the fastest Macs. Apple better come up with something very impressive to keep competitive.
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i think alot of ppl , particulary in trance production circles are allured towards Logic , because they think that because some ppl have siad its the best that they should be using it, i find that here in south africa with ppl i know,...keep on telling me that Mac and Logic are the only way t go for production....just because so and so said so...
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Well it was true in the passed. Cubase was lagging behind in many ways compared to Logic and Sonar. This isn't true at all any more. And now with Yamaha behind them, things can only get better.
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Logic is crap in my eyes...wouldnt use it if you payed me thanks.
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I wouldn't say that it is crap because frankly it isn't. It is very convoluted though ... Admitedly I havn't worked with Logic 7 yet which I am told has gotten a bit more streamlined.
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but anyways each to their own...just remember your DAW system isnt gona make you any a good producer that you were in the first place....Cubase/Logic/Tools/Sonar...its not the software ..but its who is using it...
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Amen.
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