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Boobytrip
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Posted : Jul 1, 2004 11:27
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Hi folks,
Here's a trick that can be very useful for getting tighter basses. It's basically the same as the one i posted last week:
http://forum.isratrance.com/viewtopic.php/topic/39247/forum/2
Here we go: create a send effect channel with a compressor in it. Hit the compressor hard, with a ratio of say 20:1 and fast attack and release times. Then feed your bass-signal into this send effect and tweak the compressor settings a bit until it sounds good (you can use the pre-fader button of the send in cubase SX and pull down the fader of the bassline to isolate the sound of the send while tweaking). When you're done tweaking the compressor sneak in the compressed signal under the original bassline until it sounds right. Adding a second send-effect on the bassline with a speaker simulator and adding a touch of this speaker sound can enhance your bass-sound a little more, and give it more presence in the mix.
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Yoake
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Posted : Jul 1, 2004 13:38
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Well done my friend...
 nice way ...
Keep us update 
Yoake.
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eliran17
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Posted : Jul 1, 2004 15:01
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u mean create two layers for the bass line one with the original setting and the other with the send affect?
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Boobytrip
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Posted : Jul 1, 2004 15:18
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Indiddeleydeed neigbour ! You let the original bass play and mix in some of the compressed signal to give the original bassline more 'oomph' or 'punch'. When you do it this way you don't change the tonal balance of the bass as much as you would if you compressed the entrire signal and just used that as a bassline. But make sure that you feed in the same amount of bass into the compressor: use the fader of the send-effect to change the amount of processed signal, otherwise you change the sound of the processed signal.
By the way i'm not sure if this technique is common practice, i just stumbled upon it and found it very useful. Probably there are numerous better ways to get tight basslines that i'm not aware of  |
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eliran17
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Posted : Jul 1, 2004 15:41
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hhh great tnx alot!
i'll give it a shot.. open up for some new stuff
cool
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zooter
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Posted : Jul 1, 2004 16:07
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good 1...long time since tips were posted! |
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ZilDoggo
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Posted : Jul 1, 2004 17:04
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boobytrip,
sidechaining a compressor is common practice in analogue mixing., i think the compressor was first invented as an effect and not a processor.,
but with digital systems lag can be a spoiler.,
if the system has no lag compensaion you get flanging between the original and the compressed signal..,
i worked on a mackie d8b and the lag is so horrible that you cant do this trick without flanging,..
this may be because of the plugin used (drawmer compressor) and not the signal path but i couldnt mix the compressed signal with the original without parts of the spectrum being munched up.,
modern sequencers have reasonable delay compensation so it shouldnt be a problem tho.,
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Boobytrip
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Posted : Jul 1, 2004 17:20
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In Cubase SX 2 the delay compensation does the trick, so you don't get these flangin' sounds If not, you can make an audio mixdown of the compressed signal and align it with the other signal.
I always thought the compressor was invented for protecting in Radio-transmitters, at a time when they still used mostly amplitude modulated radio waves. |
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ZilDoggo
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Posted : Jul 1, 2004 17:49
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hehe.,., ooh yeah, you are right, i forgot.,
used as a processor in broadcasting.,
but i'm pretty sure that in music studio's they were used in sidechains from very early on,.
Here ( http://homepages.paradise.net.nz/~rhulse/Side%20Chain/sidechain.htm ) you can read that advanced compressor side chaining was already known in the sixtees .,
these techniques got kindof lost because the whole indusrie has gone digital., now it's comming back because digital starts to be almost as good as analogue.,
greets.,
aka.,
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Boobytrip
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Posted : Jul 2, 2004 11:10
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I use a (digital) replica of the LA2A that runs on a UAD-1 dsp card for this side-chain technique and this compressor is really amazing. I'm not sure if it's as close to the original as the manufacturer claims, but to me it certainly shows that digital is indeed getting pretty sophisticated. |
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Get-a-fix
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Posted : Jul 4, 2004 00:48
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will the compressor in the midi inserts do the same job for cubase sx 2......if not could u name some good compression plugins u guys use.......n maybe also for other effects.....reverb,delay,pitchshift,eq.....etc etc....thanks
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orange
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Posted : Jul 4, 2004 01:27
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ZilDoggo
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Posted : Jul 5, 2004 23:49
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psychosomatic,
" will the compressor in the midi inserts do the same job for cubase sx 2"
well, it should.,
it's more about precise delay compensation and i think steinberg has that right.,.,
then it depends on the plugin if it can precisely tell cubase it's onw latency.,
so, basically it should work., if you get strange phasing problems then you should look for another plug.,
if all plugs give you phasing problems then it's because of latency compensation problems in your sequencer.,.,
greets.,
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br0d
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Posted : Jul 10, 2004 09:58
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SX2 MIDI Insert compressor compresses velocity, not sound. There is not a huge difference in most cases, but actual audio compressors are likely to be more textural because something which compresses actual sound is likely to give you more variation and freedom with your velocity controls, since they are not being reduced by a MIDI plugin. It's "pseudo compression." They should not call it compression, IMO, or it should be distinguished as "velocity compression." It's probably most useful for people who do normal keyboard based note entry and who want to tighten up their "live playing velocity" by reducing the range of available velocity. Its applications in psy and dance are minor IMO. I don't use it at all. I'd rather they spent their time developing an arpeggiator plugin that didnt suck...
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ZilDoggo
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Posted : Jul 10, 2004 14:08
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'uuh?.,. hehehe
i didnt read the instert was midi,. lol.,
yeah, midi is a completely different thing,
forget my last post, it applies to AUDIO compression.,
br0d, you are totaly right of course.,
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