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WAVELOGIX
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Posted : Sep 7, 2004 12:44
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hello ppl ...
so for many days now , i have been experimenting with various techniques to get tht professional sounding "tight bottom end " of my basslines .... mostly i used the vb-1 alot , but as i used other vstifor the basslines , i found out tht this tight bottom end was more easy to obtain ...
latetly i spent some time learning the kik , bass sidechaining technique and found out tht , the bass does sound a lot more " tamed " compared to the normal compression ..
but no matter , what i do , some how i feel , the bottom end of the bassline continues to sound a bit sloppy or " flabby " as u can call it ..
my most success with getting the tight bottom end of the bassline was when i used a multiband compressor [ waves c4 ] as a direct insert on the bassline ....
but i am under the impression tht multiband compressors are used omly @ the mastering stage . arent they ? ... so i must try getting tht tight end of the basslines using normal wideband / sidechained compressors ??
how ever , if u guys know of any other tips / tricks / workarounds / techniques to get tht tight end . OR if u ppl think using multiband compressors is not a bad thing till u get wat sound ur looking out 4 ... pls let me know ...
all help in this matter is highly appreciated ...
once again i sincerely thnak all u killer ppl out there 4 ur valueable time and efforts ..
PLUR 2 EVERYONE ....
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EYB
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Posted : Sep 7, 2004 13:11
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Use what you want to use, when you get the results you want.
Multibandlimiters are not only for mastering, i use a lot Sinus Triplecomp for kick compression and get nice bottom and good high ends.
And maybe try Waves MaxBass or RBass for enhancing ur kicks and basses in the low area.
Peace
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MonasticSquid
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Posted : Sep 7, 2004 13:45
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ok... a quick work around to make 1/16th Bass lines tighter and more Punchy (especially if your not a Techy Hardware Head)......
dont leave your bass in midi for the whole arrangement... if you are happy with the bass sound... export a loop (4,8,16 bars whatever) to audio... then set the quantize/note length to 1/16, hold down 'ALT' key, use the cut/scissors, cut at the first 1/16th snap point of the wav..so that the whole wav is automatically split into 1/16th slices.... select all of those slices and trim the volume curve (at the end of the slices) so that each slice has its volume fading out a bit (...this shortens the note).... delete all the slices that fall directly at the same time as the kick....they often have a tail overlapping into the kick note....
now if your original Bass sound was full and Phat, this will make it punchy'ier without 'flattening it by using a compressor..... (I do it like this 'cause I cant get my head around compressors that well.. and this is much quicker and easier for me  ... once done.. bounce all the slices back into one wav... easier for copy/paste throughout the arrangement...
If you have different Bass lines throughout the track.. just repeat this process for each section...
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katam
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Posted : Sep 7, 2004 14:12
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great tip man, thanx  |
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WAVELOGIX
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Posted : Sep 7, 2004 14:20
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hey monastic !
this is working mate !
WORKING ROCK SOLID .....
but i do make my basslines in the 1/32 nd grid ...
so i guess the process must b the same ...!!!
but mate , u are a life saver man !
all i now have is only RESPECT 4 U man ....
all i can say is thanks a bilion ....
btw , any more techniques ... pls post up ppl 
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orbit
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Posted : Sep 7, 2004 15:46
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hey guys could you tell me a how to trim the volume curve at the end of each 1/16th... i could do this with automation but is there an easier way?
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WAVELOGIX
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Posted : Sep 7, 2004 16:11
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select clip . right click processs -- fade out !
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Surrender
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Posted : Sep 7, 2004 16:13
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Hey Monastic, i do the same but while its in midi still... just instead of writing full 1/16th notes, i highlight the notes and use the CTRL to shorten them free hand to a lesser value. also make your first note shorter from the rest to begin with. and also play with the velocities of the notes.
this way the attack of the next note is much more defined.
"On the other hand, you have different fingers."
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Mike A
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Posted : Sep 7, 2004 17:19
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Monastic - or you can use sidechain compression 
Anyway - GTN - I got one word for you. Waves MaxxBass.
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WAVELOGIX
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Posted : Sep 7, 2004 20:11
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mike a , im using waves rbass already man ....
but the sub harmonic addition to the bass is some times too noticable ..
i will give waves maxbass a try now , as i think it is a much more refined processor than the rbass ! |
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MonasticSquid
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Posted : Sep 7, 2004 21:59
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On 2004-09-07 15:46, orbit wrote:
hey guys could you tell me a how to trim the volume curve at the end of each 1/16th... i could do this with automation but is there an easier way?
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... yeah man... when u select a wav...it should show you the volume of that wav.. in the wav itself as a blue line, a square in the middle of the line and a triangle at each end =left triangle for fade in and right triangle for fade out... if you select all the slices together and then move any one of the right triangles to wards the left a bit, they will all move at the same time... allowing you to 'equally' fade out the volume of all the wavs that you have selected...
i do it like this cause (a) someone else showed me this technique and (b).. as i said i dont know too much about compressors and shit... so its quicker for me and so far works well... give me the desired result
also, I use (was shown) the L2 to fatten things up... usually i wack on 'DaTube' distortion to warm things up, and then the L2 to add balls - but not too much......often less is more..... dont be to heavy handed
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mubali
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Posted : Sep 9, 2004 01:30
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On 2004-09-07 16:13, Surrender wrote:
Hey Monastic, i do the same but while its in midi still... just instead of writing full 1/16th notes, i highlight the notes and use the CTRL to shorten them free hand to a lesser value. also make your first note shorter from the rest to begin with. and also play with the velocities of the notes.
this way the attack of the next note is much more defined.
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I do the same thing Gadi... It really makes a difference when you are trying to tighten your bass. Also if you are using an instrument that will allow you to play with the ADSR (the VB-1 does not have that), try lowering the release on the instrument itself... works like a charm for me...
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NikC
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Posted : Sep 9, 2004 01:50
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another little tip, if you still want to work in midi (lets say you want to change keys or something) or just don't want to work with audio files.
this i find works best when doing 16th notes:
put the release of whichever bass sound you are using on zero, then... with quantizing disabled shorten the notes slightly. This will sound bad but... slightly adjust the release settings until you feel that the bass sounds 'right'(this is effectively changing the volume curve). Also put the attack on a low value, so that the sound is less wobbly and more defined. Now the sound should sound more bassy and clear, however... there is still more that can be done, try changing the velocity so that it is highest on the offbeat (the third 16th in a beat/ the 2nd 8th etc...) this will also create greater definition and make the bass more structured. Lastly the actual sound itself is hugely important, try not to boost the bass eq too much because that also makes the bass sound too loose (at least for me) try boosting the low-mid and use something sawtoothy for clearness of sound, and this with side-chain compression, just begins to sound perfect...
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WAVELOGIX
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Posted : Sep 9, 2004 09:01
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fianlly im beginning to get it ...
god bless isratrance.com !!
plur ... boom ! |
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