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psylevation
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Posted : Jun 18, 2007 09:44
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On 2007-06-15 10:48, Inner Demon wrote:
I have the Remote SL and I think it would be confusing in a live situation unless you plan on mapping it to only one soft synth.
It maps synths differently and frankly isn't as straightforward as I thought it would be (you have to edit everything to your taste anyway), and I've ended up using it less for production than I expected...
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All you have to do is download the new Automap software. Wrap your plugins in it, then open them up and use the midi learn to assign all the controls then select "default"
from the automap thing.
The way I do it is to put like controls on the same knobs for every synth. That way the cutoff for filter 1 is the same on every synth for example. Once you have it all set up then it automaps to that plugin when you open it. I think it's genius but it still takes a bit of set up and an idea of how you want to work with it.
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the daleks
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Posted : Jun 18, 2007 17:26
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thanks for all of your posts everyone!
definitely is giving me a better picture of each option.
basically it comes down to cash vs functionality, and although the Ti looks so delicious, the Novation SL is looking like a better option. what i really want is a way to control the sounds i am working on quickly and intuitively, and with minimal setup (i.e. using Logics automation quick access is nice for the odd plugin, but really doesnt cut it when you have to set it up over and over again), and be able to tweak live.
What i would wonder about the Ti then is are the sounds really unique and different, or is the same/similar achievable with software&good programming since both are essentially DSP algorithms?
also, regarding the SL, how is the implementation of the Logic plugins? I read that it had preprogrammed templates for most of the synths/plugins (since you cant use the automap). Are these usable? (I've been burned on the templates that are supposed to work before...)
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bilbobagginz
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Posted : Jun 18, 2007 23:41
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this is a tough question 
since, after the signal is created, and processed, it comes out via some analog circuitry, and it also shapes the sound signal a bit.
Q. is how well can you see if this sound is analog, and what you really focus your track on, the beauty of the sounds, or the melodic/rhythmic ideas
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assaf
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Posted : Jun 19, 2007 05:46
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i recomand you to try the demo of the nord modular, its crazy. im getting an old one soon but if i had the money i would go for the new g2.
one.http://www.clavia.se/products/nord%20modular%20G2/default.asp
i think the virus is great, maybe the best in the digital world, and i havnt heard softwares that sounds good as the ti, but its coast alot and to much people use it so beware of the presets
also i heard that there is a good synth by roland called the v-synth that is worth checking.
beside that i think that softwares today are great and you dont have to get an hardwre synth to do good music, but it sure is much more fun way to do it. |
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the daleks
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Posted : Jun 19, 2007 08:14
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so far I have been focussing on melody/rhythm, but I want to take it a step up by now turning to sound design, and coming up with some really unique sounds
this is much more fun when you have knobs to turn.. now whether its a hardware or software is the question.
but for the price of the Novation SL being a relatively expensive controller (70,000yen), I could almost justify the cost of a used TI, although maybe 3x as much
still a difficult choice, for the moment I am hawking yahoo auctions...
keep the posts coming though, the more information the better
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PoM
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Posted : Jun 19, 2007 10:51
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On 2007-06-18 17:26, the daleks wrote:
What i would wonder about the Ti then is are the sounds really unique and different, or is the same/similar achievable with software&good programming since both are essentially DSP algorithms?
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the only reason i see to buy one it s if you love the caractere,the virus have is own sound but it s not really unique and different it s used everywhere since maybe 7/8 years.imo it s a very good synth, i had the C and it s my favorite hardware synth i used but it make you sound like everyone(not musically but the sound of your tracks)for the price of the ti why not buy the real thing , a real analog ,we need more analog sounds, not some virus one or maybe wait for the new Va to come, like the john bowen synth.i m sure a lot of Ti ll be on ebay soon |
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the daleks
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Posted : Jun 19, 2007 12:38
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good point, and definitely one I have thought about
what would be really awesome is an analog synth, with a spec like the Andromeda, compact like a Polar, and some kind of integration feature like the virus control. for that I would part with the cash easily!
however, its probably wishful thinking at the moment, but there are some interesting things happening now, like the Arturia Origin which has a plugin like the VC, so hopefully this will be a trend
the DSI evolver looks pretty neat too, but it is also too expensive for what it offers
so, would the albino with a decent controller on a G5 quad hold up to a Virus TI in terms of sound and ease of use? (although I did max out an entire core with the Cosmosis super-saw patch, so this worries me a little...)
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PoM
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Posted : Jun 19, 2007 13:45
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maybe on some patch the albino can sound as good but the virus is better but in a track with some fx it ll not make a big difference, vst like fabfilter twin ,gforce imposcar,xhip and a few others made me sold my virus.
about the arturia it s a bit expensive, it s basically all there softwares in a hardware synth but a bit modular, you can use the prophet osc with the minimoog filter and things like that if i m right . |
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Get-a-fix
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Posted : Jun 19, 2007 14:15
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Hmmm strange that you should say that..I used to be really happy with how soft synths sounded as well but now that i hear the TI they all sound so tiny & flat in comparison!
Maybe its coz i just bought the thing! 
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PoM
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Posted : Jun 19, 2007 14:36
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yes you re right but not all,with some equing and a few fx it s close ,and the oscillators (the saw!) are better on some plugs ,a lot of producer use only software and their sound is not tiny ,after it s a lot about synth programing , give a imposcar to howard scarr it ll make it sound better than any of us with a virus.
in fact soft synth need more work maybe , have you tried to sample your softsynth, create a instrument in a sampler,then open it again detune it a bit, add one again and maybe one more,with tricks like that you can get very fat sounds . |
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the daleks
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Posted : Jun 21, 2007 07:50
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ok, i decided - I am going to go with the Remote SL for "getting a grip" on the plugins, and pick up a cheap bassstation on ebay
the virus looked good, but for the cost /benefit, and already having a powerful computer system (i.e. dont really need more DSP) this looks like the better way for me (plus another analog is always nice!)
thanks for all of your advices and ideas!
peeeaaaaaace!! 
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the daleks
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Posted : Jun 27, 2007 11:29
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diskOtek
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Posted : Jun 27, 2007 12:09
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On 2007-06-19 12:38, the daleks wrote:
the DSI evolver looks pretty neat too, but it is also too expensive for what it offers
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hmm what do u mean??i think it offers too much for its price..
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kajola
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Posted : Jun 27, 2007 16:22
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Posted : Jun 27, 2007 16:46
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if you really want to dig in and learn about what was the Virus TI in 1990, 1993, 1995, 1999 you can buy basically a whole studio for the price of the TI thats 100x better.
The downside is they are harder to program because it wasnt until about 1995 that companies made hardware with the hobbiest in mind at all.
If you think the TI is worth the price IMO you just don't know your synths and don't see what incredible deals we have right now on the used market. |
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