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Thoughts about responsibilty, psycedelic music and emotion
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shamantrixx
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Posted : Aug 2, 2007 05:06
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On 2007-08-02 00:50, subconsciousmind wrote:
@Shamantrix.
Sorry to say that, but with your obviously surfacial, analyzis of my music you have just lost a lot of credibility. You really should have invested more time.
Just a tip, but never give feedback to a song or even an album before you listened to it at least three times with full concentration. Did you do that? Try it.
No offense, but you really start to sound like one of these art critics who always talk and think about art but never understand it nor are able to do it. |
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Well I'm also stunned by your reaction.
First of all - if you don't want to hear critics that don't present your work. Once you've presented your tracks it's kind of stupid to argue about critics trying to "soften" them.
Second - I don't need to hear theme more than once to recognize the simple major scale and conclude that it could be a bit less obvious.
Further on - if you think that few of your tracks don't have some goa elements than you really have some hearing problems.
Finally I was quite impressed by your tracks but I believe that everything can be better than it is and that wise people should care more about constructive critic than about praises witch will only develop your ego instead of your music.
btw: people don't have to listen anything for 3 times before they can make their own judgment. Hearing it more than once is actually getting used to it. If you pay attention one time is all it takes. So chill out and don't try to influence others opinion about your music... it's kind of lame.
  "It occurred to me by intuition, and music was the driving force behind that intuition. My discovery was the result of musical perception"
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the daleks
The Daleks
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Posted : Aug 2, 2007 05:19
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Donna Summer's track I Feel Love is considered by many the prototype for goa/psytrance and some techno since it was the first track to have a 16th note bassline, and arppregiated pads
indeed most electronic dance music is bassed off of disco, and people were tripping in clubs off their heads to this since the late 70's and Studio 54 days. alot more psychedelic than you may think!
in fact with the recent trend in vocal oriented 'trance' you can see it almost as a throwback to the disco days, both in form and function.
just observing a few comments... S-mind, I think shamantrixx was complimenting you. we are all pretty sensitive with our music, but oversensitivity can be seen as lack of confidence. be proud of your stuff man! 
and here shamantrixx, you get so wrapped up in words sometimes that you miss the point in trying to make yourself sound knowledgeable, and instead of being a discussion, you piss people off, and it devolves to a cut and paste mud-throwing matchQuote:
| there are some responsibilities involved and there is a lot to learn about influence of music on large number of listeners but hypnosis is not where we should look for the answer. Hypnosis is mostly used for suppression and psychedelic experience is almost the opposite behavior from suppression. Please don't confuse those because it could be very misleading. |
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this is kind of a semantical difference but the same. like the theory of insanity/unsanity i hope you guys know this one ;-) What you say makes sense and is a good point, but as a wise man always said 'its not what you say, its how you say it'. by your last comment 'please don't confuse...' it comes off arrogant, and almost scolding, although your point was a good one. If you could be more empathic in your conversations, I think it would be more enlightening for those involved...especially in as such a dry medium as text where words can be read in a variety of ways
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to me the psychedelic experience is something that tears down preconcieved notions and prejudices and returns us to a primal / instinctual state similar to what meditation or complete overstimulation can produce (by overstimulation I mean you are too busy to think out an action but just simply react by instinct)
how this is done should hopefully not be too formulaic, and follow some kind of 'train of thought' i.e. a fluid structure where the connection of parts doesn't need to make any particular sense, and moves on as it does
in the case of fullon, it has become kind of like rock music which isn't necessarily a bad thing. in fact I think that is the spirit that is embodied in fullon, kind of a rock n' roll additude and power. sometimes comes off kind of cheesy, but then again alot of rock is cheezy too. psychedelic rock however is another thing. so i think with fullon we are seeing a kind of evolution take place, where eventually this kind of music will crossover from the forest parties to arenas. again, this is not necessarily a bad thing, just another stage in evolution..
great topic S-mind! (^^)b
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subconsciousmind
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Posted : Aug 2, 2007 12:46
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@shaman critic is ok, but you are as often missing the point. 
Its your attitude. I don't care if you say my music is good or bad, believe me I have taken a lot of critic to my music and it has never been a problem for me. What wakes me up is the surfaciality. You could have written only positive things, but the way you looked at it is the problem.
You really think that you can give critics by listening choped previews? Have you ever listened to music with your heart? Have you ever thought that one uses certain scales and obviousity, because it is needed for the expression? Why shouldn't it be obvious? Why not use any scale needed? What meassures tell you that? It's all mental boundaries and restrictions with no musical and expressional sense. Again man OPEN YOUR MIND!
You can only find out what an artist is doing by really investing time. Believing one time listening is enough? there is no sense in any discussion on that...
You seem to have a very theoretical, mental approach to music. That just not working here and in most of the cases.
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I also believe that there is a strong connection between psychedelic drugs and psychedelic music. And Its also much easier to create psychedelic music on psychedelic drugs. But I believe the real challenge for the creator of psychedelic music is to learn to reach a state of mind where he can create psychedelic music WITHOUT help of ANY drugs. (so called "soft" or "legal" drugs included )
Psychedelic Drugs are fun to listen to psychedelic music though. Furthermore I even now only one single person who never tried any psychdelic drug but still fully understands most of the psychedelic music I know. All other people I know, only understood the difference between psychedelic music and normal music when they first listened to it on lsd mushrooms or at least big doses of marihuana.
I don't say it's neccessairy, or that I need it. but I just experienced that mostly people are not able to open their senses enough, to leave their expectations behind them enough to really experience psychedelic music without the help of drugs at least for one time.
I actualy even believe mushrooms and lsd CAUSED psychedlic music to a very big part. Thats why I even tend to say, that if the music doesn't sound well when listening to it on these drugs it is not psychedelic.
The easiest definition of all: If it trips you on psychedelica its psychedelic
To quote the band "tool" "Bill Hicks: "See I think, drugs have done some good things for us. I really do. And if you don't believe drugs have done good things for us. Do me a favor, go home tonight, take all your albums, all your tapes, and all your CDs, and burn them."
Most of my music for you to download at:
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shamantrixx
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Posted : Aug 2, 2007 14:04
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@ the daleks: tnx for the tip... I'll try not to be provocative because in this case I didn't mean to be. I was thinking that the sentence starting with "please" will not be misread but obviously I was wrong.
@ subconsciousmind: I'm sorry if you've failed to see the compliment in my post and I'm sorry if you still can't see it. For me music is not isolated part of life.
Old Egyptians used to say that there is no music without philosophy, no philosophy without mathematics, no mathematics without geometry, no geometry without religion and no religion without music. With this approach I can hardly imagine any wider perspective on music. And again... how many times do you have to look at the triangle to draw a conclusion about it's shape and number of sides?
Try to respect the fact that different people have different likes and dislikes. Some like simple major scales in music and others find them obvious and too simple. Some like Beatles while others like Led Zeppelin and Jethro Tull. Some like ABBA and others like Jefferson Airplane and Pink Floyd. Some prefer Logic Bomb while others prefer Instant Sadhu. I guess I fall into second category and I think that you're making a mistake believing that I have very "theoretical and mental" (for whatever that means) approach.
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Drugs can help in both widening and raising our level of consciousness. But many tend to use them as a for of musical ritual and IMO that's where things get wrong. Psychedelic drugs are important messenger but once you get the message - hang up the phone! They are great tool that can wake up people from repetition and program but once we include them as a ritualistic sacrament or practice them repetitively we're simply misusing them.
Yes they can influence music but that completely misses the point. The idea is to influence ones mind any by doing that it influences all aspects of ones life in a way that all "parts" and aspects of life become one whole again. Isolating psychedelics to influence only one aspect is just further compartmentalization of already fragmented personality. I strongly believe that it is utterly wrong approach.
"It occurred to me by intuition, and music was the driving force behind that intuition. My discovery was the result of musical perception"
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Tomos
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Posted : Aug 2, 2007 15:14
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I don't agree that you can tell if you like something always just by hearing it once. Many albums have grown on me and I have come to 'understand' them not just 'get used to them'. |
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psylevation
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Posted : Aug 2, 2007 15:18
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On 2007-08-02 00:36, Colin OOOD wrote:
@shamantrixx... from reading the first post on this thread it's clear to me that the only connection subconsciousmind was making between hypnosis and the psychelic experience was his opinion that a producer has a similar responsibility to a hypnotist - to make sure their journeys of the mind have an appropriate closure. Everything else is your construction, as far as I can tell. Ther is no 'metaphor' or even strong connection between the two implied in his posts, just a similarity in one aspect of responsibility.
This is an interesting thread, please don't divert it.
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I don't know if this is directly related or not, but it sounds like it. I was at an event recently where they played nothing but hard mental music all the way into the morning (i'm a morning artist btw). I felt pain for the people to have to endure a beating without proper closure at the end of the night. It left me feeling very empty and like there was a major lack of care from those involved with doing the event.
So this more or less made me think about the responsibility of proper closure and it's importance. Your pointing this out helped me to understand my feelings I had that night,
Thanx
~Airyck~
~Unoccupied Mind ~
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Colin OOOD
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Posted : Aug 2, 2007 15:41
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mk47
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Posted : Aug 2, 2007 16:06
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shamantrix .. u at it again man .. lol ..here`s my 1 cent on it .. emotional... thats very subjective.. some like melodies and happy happy stuff . it gets their emotions going .. others like hard nasty stuff .. that ALSO gets THEIR emotions going .. etc .. bye : P
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PoM
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Posted : Aug 2, 2007 19:17
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maybe the psychedelic thing is different for everyone but for me most psytrance have nothing to do with psychedilic music,for me it s a sensation you get from listening that open you mind but it has nothing to do with some fx with panned automation or things like that.( i remember listening steve vai before psytrance and was triping a lot on the paned effects... i discoverd a new way to listen music but it has nothing psychelic at all) a track like funkadelic maggot brain(original version) is a good example of what psychelic emotion is for me and you get the same emotions wiht most psychelic tracks or what is called psychelik music (like a few in the last koxbox album) |
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bukboy
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Posted : Aug 3, 2007 15:32
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And I just thought that psychedelic meant modifying tambres of repetitive rhythmic leads, using filters or fx. |
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leandromorales
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Posted : Aug 6, 2007 15:02
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good post man
i agree your idea
respect !!!!
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