What is considered bass in psytrance gets laughed at in other genres where bass is king... The speed of psy combined with the constant 4 on the floor leave little room for bass to really develop to lows beyond what we normally do...
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On 2008-04-16 07:20, mubali wrote:
What is considered bass in psytrance gets laughed at in other genres where bass is king... The speed of psy combined with the constant 4 on the floor leave little room for bass to really develop to lows beyond what we normally do...
yeah, but thats exactly it. Coming up with a big amount of bass at psy speeds is not easy at all.
Doesn't mean it can't be done.
Maybe other genres laugh at the amount of bass in Psy, but this is their lookout. Writing a decent psy bassline takes a lot of skill! A whole lot more then it takes to write a dnb reece IMO.
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As for get rid of saw basslines - could someone show me a pure saw bassline please? The ones out of Cronox are nearly always saturated to the point of being square waves... not that there is anything wrong with that.
And another thing. The saw wave is so popular because it contains every single harmonic in the harmonic series. If you don't like something you can remove it with EQ. So go and learn EQ properly!.
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On 2008-04-16 17:31, Speakafreaka wrote:
yeah, but thats exactly it. Coming up with a big amount of bass at psy speeds is not easy at all.
Doesn't mean it can't be done.
Maybe other genres laugh at the amount of bass in Psy, but this is their lookout. Writing a decent psy bassline takes a lot of skill! A whole lot more then it takes to write a dnb reece IMO.
@rest of thread in general:
As for get rid of saw basslines - could someone show me a pure saw bassline please? The ones out of Cronox are nearly always saturated to the point of being square waves... not that there is anything wrong with that.
And another thing. The saw wave is so popular because it contains every single harmonic in the harmonic series. If you don't like something you can remove it with EQ. So go and learn EQ properly!
words of wisdom (imo).
being mad at a saw waveform is amusing , also it is not a new trend at all. what is new(er) is the ability to create a steady solid bass without having top notch hardware synths... and this isnt new either, its been around ever since u could bounce audio or sample waveforms into a stable sampler.
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On 2008-04-16 12:44, Freeflow wrote:
DnB is that shit guys, this is music with bass
i never thought the prodcution level is better in this genre, if anything it is much muddier and gritty (but thats excused off as supposedly part of the "sound")
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imo DnB is hardly as good on an average production level as trance. I pretty much go with Speada on that one. It DOES need skill to make a psy bassline, more than DnB...
being mad at a saw IS amusing, the poor saw wave did nothing to you and you simply....
honestly, there are a multitude of ways to create a nice bassline in trance, and eq is a definite and big part of it though not all.
Also we should remember that the average sound system does not give you an accurate bassresponse below 40db anyway, so what is the point of those sub basses?
Yes, you can feel them a bit more in your gut, that's about it.
true that it does take skill to write a really good psy bassline, I've just noticed that theres a lot of psy out there that has this nasal like tone about the bass to where the kick is heard way more than the bass of the bass and it ends up being a mid line more often than not.
For me music isn't just heard, it's felt... on a loud system I want the music to permeate my body mind and soul.... I want the basslines to penetrate my lower intestines and make me wanna take a crap later on because it moved some things around in my digestive track.... Music whether its loud or not should be experienced, not just heard.... to hear something is akin to watching a movie that you're not fully into... to experience it allows you to be taken on the intended ride that it wanted to take you on.
Anyway, I'm not saying that drum and bass has better production per say... all I'm saying is what we consider bass is passable because most of the focus in this genre of music is not on bass, but more the other sounds and journey of the piece of music. Not to say that there isn't drum and bass that is very similar to psychedelic trance, you just don't get to hear that stuff all that often.
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On 2008-04-16 22:43, Upavas wrote:
imo DnB is hardly as good on an average production level as trance. I pretty much go with Speada on that one. It DOES need skill to make a psy bassline, more than DnB...
being mad at a saw IS amusing, the poor saw wave did nothing to you and you simply....
honestly, there are a multitude of ways to create a nice bassline in trance, and eq is a definite and big part of it though not all.
Also we should remember that the average sound system does not give you an accurate bassresponse below 40db anyway, so what is the point of those sub basses?
Yes, you can feel them a bit more in your gut, that's about it.
40dB? Hz perhaps
about the multitude of ways to create basslines i agree on that but still the majority i heard still relies on the standard single saw sound with pretty much the Lp-filter completly open, IMHO im just so bored with that sound, take that sound and run it through an ampeg amp or whatever just make it sound diffrent.
I use saws when i program my synthbasses (and yes with harmonics that reaches to "infinity" makes them quite ideal to be using) but i want them to sound like "me" put my personal touch onto the sound, on the other hand your not gonna see me load the "alien303" vst and use the single saw sound
Its a matter of taste, i prefer DnB ahead of psy cause dnb makes me dance my ass of, period! And at that point i couldn´t care less if the the production is " hardly as good on an average production level as trance".
Hehehe......how about this good oldie, this is a nice bassline, well maybe not psytrance but still a good old track!!
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aye, I would agree about the horrendous nasal sound a lot of basses have.
But its really unfair that a lot of people are blaming Cronox for that... its perfectly possible to get very very respectable bass out of Cronox. I think people have just got there post synth EQs set up too hard. But I don't know. I can't imagine why anyone would do that to their precious mix!
As for feeling it in your guts, I know what you mean Thats what X-Dream was for
And I also agree that comparing genres is probably not a good idea. There are good and bad producers in every genre. Each genre has its own area of real technical difficulty. I'm in awe at some of the drum programmin in DnB for example.
I don't use single saws, no I have all manner of send and stereo trickery I use on my bass synths. But I normally start from saws.
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On 2008-04-16 22:43, Upavas wrote:
imo DnB is hardly as good on an average production level as trance. I pretty much go with Speada on that one. It DOES need skill to make a psy bassline, more than DnB...
being mad at a saw IS amusing, the poor saw wave did nothing to you and you simply....
honestly, there are a multitude of ways to create a nice bassline in trance, and eq is a definite and big part of it though not all.
Also we should remember that the average sound system does not give you an accurate bassresponse below 40db anyway, so what is the point of those sub basses?
Yes, you can feel them a bit more in your gut, that's about it.
40dB? Hz perhaps
about the multitude of ways to create basslines i agree on that but still the majority i heard still relies on the standard single saw sound with pretty much the Lp-filter completly open, IMHO im just so bored with that sound, take that sound and run it through an ampeg amp or whatever just make it sound diffrent.
I use saws when i program my synthbasses (and yes with harmonics that reaches to "infinity" makes them quite ideal to be using) but i want them to sound like "me" put my personal touch onto the sound, on the other hand your not gonna see me load the "alien303" vst and use the single saw sound
Its a matter of taste, i prefer DnB ahead of psy cause dnb makes me dance my ass of, period! And at that point i couldn´t care less if the the production is " hardly as good on an average production level as trance".
Edit: And please can we stop comparing "production quality" between genres.
Definitely hz, too much smoke today...lol...
dnbis too hectic for me. I never know if to move really fast or slow to it. Trance has (at least the kind that I like) an easier flow with it and I also prefer the buildups in trance.
Contrary to you I do care about production quality. I just don't like to go to a party and have a shitty production coming through the speakers, it usually hurts my ears...
, also it is not a new trend at all. what is new(er) is the ability to create a steady solid bass without having top notch hardware synths... and this isnt new either, its been around ever since u could bounce audio or sample waveforms into a stable sampler.
