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this is why I hate pop music
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Honguito
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Posted : Dec 2, 2006 02:57
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http://www.ebaumsworld.com/2006/11/create-a-pop-star.html
artistic expressions from the heart in pop music belongs to the past. Guess this is no news for you but this video is kinda funny to watch anyway, to expand your arsenal of arguments against the dominating forces in the current music industry 
There are positive parts of it though... the model is HOT  |
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Skoocha
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Posted : Dec 2, 2006 07:56
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get over yourself man
those ugly tricks are in full in use in trance music
wich also has his share of awful wannabe singers that don't have any pitch or those so called musicians that never saw anything else than a piano roll
at least some of those poppy shit records have decent players and and a mastering that wasn't done by a 12 years old and some plug-ins...
actually pop is maybe so much more creative than whatever formated electronic dance music...
time to grow-up
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Tomos
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Posted : Dec 2, 2006 13:21
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Pop is just as creative as electronic dance music, but neither are better. It's down to who makes it.
Money is a huge driving force behind commercial popular music and the so-called forumlas for creating tracks are used time and time again. Most of the formulars also seem to come from experimental tracks that make a surprise impact, so no experimentation is necessary for the commercial studios.. just copy what works.
The Latino fad, the boy/girl band fad, whatever is working at that time, you'll hear and see more of.
I think as producers we can easily identify what has been overused and copied, especially in our own chosen genre. Every genre has its wannabes. Some people want to be superstars, some people want to be creative.
"At least some of those poppy shit records have decent players and and a mastering"
What do players and mastering have to do with anything? What's so great about using/being a session player and have a perfectly mastered song. The first Prodigy album sounds like cack, but its still legendary for its creativity and style.
What I can't stand though is an 'image' created to appeal to an age group or a trend. For me, pop music includes Rap, R'n'B, Boy/Girl bands, most chart music. Perhaps pop should be renamed 'Mainstream' because I actually like a lot of pop music that has never been near the charts. Just to prove it's bad to pigeonhole though - I'd consider the Beatles popular AND mainstream but nothing like them has come before and they had an image, although that was 40 years ago before huge commercial studios started churning out. These days you can probably tell when it's all about the music for the person because they turn up and play in a tshirt and jeans. I think every Dj I've seen in the last 3 years has been wearing some beat up old trainers, coffee stained tshirt or if they're feeling adventurous, a hawaiian shirt.
What's my point? You can't write off an entire genre of music because of what YOU think about it. If I hadn't opened my mind I'd still be listening to the same guitar bands I did 10 years ago and would never have discovered the wonders of trance. Pop is short for popular, it's what the lazy people who can't be bothered to FIND good music are fed.
I think what Honguito is most angry with is technically excellent producers churning out unispiring crap. What a waste of a life!
Theres still good pop to be written, it's not my thing, but it's not dead, far from it. |
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Mike A
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Posted : Dec 2, 2006 17:44
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she's eating a pizza
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Tomos
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Posted : Dec 2, 2006 18:48
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Topped my post in 4 words 
Nice one Mike. haha |
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Pavel
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Posted : Dec 2, 2006 23:44
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I can mention dozens of amazing musicians that make pop music but i can't mention the same amount in today's psy trance. Sorry, try again.
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Get-a-fix
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Posted : Dec 3, 2006 01:55
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Wow i'm amazed at how bad and out of tune her voice was and what the engineers did to it in the end..This shows that probably a major percentage of today's pop stars can't sing to save their life & are just manafactured!
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Tomos
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Posted : Dec 3, 2006 15:45
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"I can mention dozens of amazing musicians that make pop music but i can't mention the same amount in today's psy trance. Sorry, try again."
Isn't that because pop music is popular and there ARE more artists than in psytrance? Anyway, I can name loads of artists in psy that I think are really talented present and past.. ?? |
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Alex - Aural Invasion
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Posted : Dec 3, 2006 15:52
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Honguito
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Posted : Dec 3, 2006 16:01
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I believe that many of the people that are involved in pop music can be very skilled and creative in what they're doing. So I'm not saying that everything about it is just flat and soulless. Mainly what I'm against is the similarities that some pop music production has with some industrial business production principles - assembly lines and mass production. When different specialized peoples' work is connected and finally officially performed by a sweet baby faced chick, then it most oftenly doesn't appeal to me anymore. Some of it sounds good though and if it does, I'll enjoy it. It's not that I totally reject and categorize everything that is played on radio or TV. Some I like but most oftenly I don't. I don't put any universal "right or wrong" label on it, this is just my personal view of it.
Just like Tomos, I prefer a great tune to be poorly mastered, than a poor tune to be excellently mastered. Many classic songs that I highly enjoy were made with poor equipment comparing to the standards of today. Still, many of them have that little extra that makes them stand out and still be enjoyed today. In many cases, that little extra is called heart. For example, I like it when music groups reach somewhere because of their commitment. Groups that worked hard together to do what they value high in life. I dislike how some people today are brought together because some fat men with big plans already have an idea about a concept that will be successful. Like "okay, we need one skinny and cute black, one chinese with shaved head, one big haired whitey and a slim latina girl. It will hit big! It'll Break racial boundaries and for this group we need songs that sound like bla bla bla... now, let's find those people. It doesn't matter if they can sing though, we'll fix that with backing vocals and technology.". Okay hehe, this is definitely not the way that all pop music bands are brought togheter. But it's one form. And for me it just sucks when they in advance already created the success in this way.
Skoocha, if this for you means to not be grown up, then I'll gladly be childish forever |
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Honguito
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Posted : Dec 3, 2006 16:06
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hahahaha DAMN! Imagine having him doing the percussion for you in a live psy performance  now THAT would really remove some of the prejudices against psy that says it's too mechanic |
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Posted : Dec 3, 2006 23:11
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As my man Borat would say:
"International singing prostitute!"
But she's hot, wouldn't mind "producing" her... I mean her album  |
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soulfood
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Posted : Dec 5, 2006 11:52
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Pop is all about appealing to the masses. A reflection of the inhabitants of planet earth at that moment in time. Writing pop is not just about being shit and being good at marketing shit. Pop is about predicting the vibe of the wider majority, which is an artform in itself.
It's just a shame we live in dire tasteless times. Why is it that the most annoying tracks are the ones everyone loves? It's so frustrating because there is good pop music, but it's always the squeaky and the sleazy that top the charts.
Damn that frog! And damn Mr Blobby! |
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Honguito
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Posted : Dec 5, 2006 16:28
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Soulfood, actually in marketing terms, "predicting the vibe of the wider majority" would be one of the first steps in the marketing process. Marketing isn't just about advertising. It often starts with analysing needs and wants on the market and from there on, decisions are made about what can be done to fulfill that and how to spread out the news to the intended market. It's a really rational process in other words (of course the degree of possible rationality is limited by various uncertainties).
So, based on what I just wrote and by generalizing complexity into simplicity, we have two scenarios:
1) People make the kind of music that THEY LIKE THEMSELVES
2) People make the kind of music that they assume will appeal to others
Of course, music production can include elements in different proportions from both scenario 1 and 2.
In my opinion, much of the pop music contains waaaay to much of scenario 2. Where are the creative works that are made out of irrationality and feelings?That's what I meant when I said "artistic expressions from the heart in pop music belongs to the past". When music production can be explained with maketing theory terms, then I think something is wrong.
Also, we musn't forget that humans are social beings. Our musical preferences aren't something biological. We're influenced by what's going on in our social surrounding and because of that, people can appreciate things that others don't. So, is the music industry just examining "our needs" or do they also affect our preferences? I'd go for the second alternative! So, if the pop music evolves into a shape where the frog song etc make huuuge profits, does that mean that they found our true human musical needs? For me, the historic use of politcal propaganda is useful to answer that question
There's one more interesting aspect of this. If the peoples' preferences are affected by the music industry, the musicians preferences could too, since they're also humans. So maybe the people that are involved in producing the pop really truly like that stuff. Well, it could be so in some cases. In my opinion, it's a shame that those people are in the position to affect so many other people. |
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Pavel
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Posted : Dec 5, 2006 20:23
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On 2006-12-03 15:45, Tomos wrote:
"I can mention dozens of amazing musicians that make pop music but i can't mention the same amount in today's psy trance. Sorry, try again."
Isn't that because pop music is popular and there ARE more artists than in psytrance? Anyway, I can name loads of artists in psy that I think are really talented present and past.. ??
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Perhaps, perhaps.
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