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Posted : Jul 3, 2011 19:09
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On 2011-07-03 02:32, V3NOM wrote:
It's like Ticon releasing club style progressive EDM under psy, it doesn't work & they should move on to the paroled scene associated to their sounds.
I'll probably get some flaming for writing this. But the reason why so many ex.psytrance producers still release and play their prog.house/techno flavored music within this scene is because the majority will never gain the same fame in the way more established prog.house and techno scenes. There are simply a much bigger competition and a much longer climb up the ladder than staying in the psytrance scene where they are already known (and get bookings no matter their style of music) - even when the fact is they do not make music related to psychedelic trance any longer.
It's all about supply and demand.
Ticon and Minilog will continue to play on both sides as long as they will be invited. They do excellent job and appeal to many different people. It's like when I was at Gogol Bordelo gig a year ago and saw there punks, geeks, metalheads and psytrancers. Everybody loves their music
Of course and there's nothing wrong with that. My only point is that we then should stop naming the events and this scene "psytrance" as a it's got very little to do with psychedelic trance any longer. I am all for variety and even more a mixed crowd (as it used to be in the god old days). But I do still think there has to be some sort of "red thread" in the kind of music played at a "psytrance" event. Of course with branches going out from the "tree". But when IMO wannabe prog.House/House (I do love real house in the right setting) start to dominate a scene as it's happening more and more on especially the big commercial summer Festivals (still leeching on the name "Psytrance") then it is going in the wrong direction (IMO). Otherwise where does it end? Polka made on Cubase?
Hope you got my point which is I do not hate the music I just think it's played in the wrong setting and based on the fact very few making this music will ever get a chance in the established scenes.
P.S. I doubt Ticon will ever be as popular in the established prog.House/Techno scene as they are in the psytrance scene. It's just a huge climb up the ladder for these guys seen in the light there are other artists going in the same direction already way more established as they are whereas Minilogue have a very unique sound and by that had an "easier" climb due to the fact nobody sound like them. They do not try to be commercial and that is the key to their success.
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Posted : Jul 3, 2011 21:34
all waxing poetic aside, good ol days or no, we're directly responsible for the future of psytrance.
i'm sorry, ya'll "ol timers", i know it was cooler way back when, but it's still pretty nifty to us lil newbies. if you're really longing for the way things used to be, why not throw some parties like you used to go to?
want there to be dubstep, mention of your djs, hey, why not throw down some dubstep if you feel like, no pressure tho.
not wantin the dubz? tell em. hell, you're payin em after all.
and yes, the name of this thread is rubbish and we all know it. "future of psytrance" indeed. why do we have to worry about that? just do. good things will come of it.
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Posted : Jul 3, 2011 21:42
or! if you're really concerned with the future of psytrance, why not invest some time on renewable energy for parties, teach leave no trace ethics at your events, teach survivalism and DIY speaker stuff. have gardening and hunting workshops.
all that shit plays into the future, at least, here's hoping.
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On 2011-07-03 05:23, filter wrote:
oh yeah , back to the debate!
i have to say i agree fully with all the statements above, its quite cool to see how together we can define a 'criteria' about trance, this is what's debate is all about, after all we are shaping the scene here as well...
also open question to everyone
is there anything within trance that you feel is the 'future'?
Although I believe and know that future is only a concept and we really cannot predict it with accuracy. However, based on the trend it is fair to make short term assumptions that the psychedelic trance music may / may not be heading towards a particular style or sub genre.
My personal opinion is that music is a form of art. Psychedelia is a part of music thus, psychedelia also is a form of art.
In art we see various styles of self expressionism. In psychedelia too we are seeing a lot of it all the time. According to me, a lot of new artists are not scared to try and experiment with new ideas, sounds techniques etc...always thinking out of the box.
I would conclude by saying that in the short term future i see psychedelia to have a lot of ABSTRACT elements, unpredictable composition, a lot of variation in BPM and sound.... Some artists have already started with ABSTRACT psychedelia Music has no rules just like art and is after all based on self expressionism and this is what psychedelia will eventually be.... but lets wait and see.
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Posted : Jul 4, 2011 17:50
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On 2011-07-03 05:23, filter wrote:
oh yeah , back to the debate!
i have to say i agree fully with all the statements above, its quite cool to see how together we can define a 'criteria' about trance, this is what's debate is all about, after all we are shaping the scene here as well...
also open question to everyone
is there anything within trance that you feel is the 'future'?
Although I believe and know that future is only a concept and we really cannot predict it with accuracy. However, based on the trend it is fair to make short term assumptions that the psychedelic trance music may / may not be heading towards a particular style or sub genre.
+1 ...it makes me laugh frustrated people at psytrance scene always wishing some kind of DROPDOWN from the scene... those are not prediction , its wishes from frustrated people who dont have free will to move forward to a next scene which will satisfy the ego...
the boat will keep sailing , while some veterans will jump off , new kids will arrive and thats the cycle.
some parties will acept dubstep in the line up together with psytrance, some will not ..and who cares? psytrance s psytrance, dubstep s dubstep...
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Posted : Jul 5, 2011 14:15
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On 2011-07-03 19:09, Beat Agency wrote:
...whereas Minilogue have a very unique sound and by that had an "easier" climb due to the fact nobody sound like them. They do not try to be commercial and that is the key to their success.
Which goes to show that persistence, quality and "doing your thing" works out in the end. I remember when Minilogue first started to enter the techno scene (same as Extrawelt BTW), I read reviews of their work in the snobby german techno press that always went like "Even though these guys used to do psytrance, this is surprisingly cool". It was very hard to break through for both of them in the early days, especially because they had the psytrance past. But they both did in the end, and they did so by being very unique!
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Posted : Jul 6, 2011 10:07
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On 2011-07-03 19:09, Beat Agency wrote:
...whereas Minilogue have a very unique sound and by that had an "easier" climb due to the fact nobody sound like them. They do not try to be commercial and that is the key to their success.
Which goes to show that persistence, quality and "doing your thing" works out in the end. I remember when Minilogue first started to enter the techno scene (same as Extrawelt BTW), I read reviews of their work in the snobby german techno press that always went like "Even though these guys used to do psytrance, this is surprisingly cool". It was very hard to break through for both of them in the early days, especially because they had the psytrance past. But they both did in the end, and they did so by being very unique!
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Posted : Jul 7, 2011 16:33
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On 2011-07-03 02:32, V3NOM wrote:
It's like Ticon releasing club style progressive EDM under psy, it doesn't work & they should move on to the paroled scene associated to their sounds.
I'll probably get some flaming for writing this. But the reason why so many ex.psytrance producers still release and play their prog.house/techno flavored music within this scene is because the majority will never gain the same fame in the way more established prog.house and techno scenes. There are simply a much bigger competition and a much longer climb up the ladder than staying in the psytrance scene where they are already known (and get bookings no matter their style of music) - even when the fact is they do not make music related to psychedelic trance any longer.
this is so true
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listening only to free music is like having the free possibility to satisfy yourself with thousends of different free sexual acts.
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