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WAVELOGIX
Wavelogix
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Posted : Feb 2, 2005 20:38
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helllo guys ,
i think what im about to talk about in a few seconds has so far never ever been discussed on this section of the isratrance forum ... my apologies if it has already been or i have overlooked it ...
well , what i would really like to discuss is " what are the different ways to start off a track ? "
personally i find starting off sequencing a track the most tricky part .. because once a i manage a decent 16-32 bars of intro , the rest of the track comes very easily and so does the rest of the sequence ...
but whenever i think of starting of a new trk , this same thought every time keeps pusing me dowm ... well the other day i was analyzing most psy trance music and concluded that there are not more than 4-5 different types of intros that one gets to hear ,.
1. some vocal samples .. and then the kik , bassline come in ..
2. some synth line starts off and then the kik , bass come in ...
3. kik , bass from the start and then slowly track progesses
4. some strings / pads / choirs with some instruments playing .. and then the trk starts with a bang .
so basically what im trying to say here is that , every time i start of with a new track ... i want to make the intro sound different and new ... but cant think of ways other than the above 4-5 mentioned .
do any of you guys also feel the same ? or is it just me ... ? how do u guys start sequencing off a trk ???
all tips / idead / suggestions / workflow improvement techniques are most welcome ...
respect .. chandan !
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psypox
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Posted : Feb 2, 2005 21:37
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mehdi
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Posted : Feb 2, 2005 21:57
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well wavelogix u forgot those who begin with fx's !!!
i'm one of them ....
but i must say that i don't write music the way u do...
the very first thing i do is getting a decent kick and bassline, then i add some drums to fasten the rythm ....
some fxs..
and when i find a nice lead, only then i think about the intro .... 
well u wanted some was, here's mine 
take care guys, ke p rockin'
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john_c
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Posted : Feb 2, 2005 23:18
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Well Wavelogix, you have named every single possible part of a tune: The beat, the fx, the synths, the strings/pads, the vocals. Theres nothing else! What else could you possibly want for an intro? Its how you arrange it that makes it interesting. |
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mubali
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Posted : Feb 3, 2005 00:21
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Intro's have never been my strong suit either.... I don't know how you would actually make a different intro than what you have mentioned... I usually don't even think about my intro untill I have completed the first movement of the track as well. What bugs me as a dj is when the opening of the track has the kick and bassline fading in and you can't actually tell when the full bassline actually starts. I beatmix pretty much everything that I spin and it bugs me when the phrases change at different times.
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PsYx
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Posted : Feb 3, 2005 00:38
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On 2005-02-03 00:21, mubali wrote:
. What bugs me as a dj is when the opening of the track has the kick and bassline fading in and you can't actually tell when the full bassline actually starts. I beatmix pretty much everything that I spin and it bugs me when the phrases change at different times.
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Hmmmm...here goes your creativity as a Dj....know your records....try to find another reference point, or throw it in "live"...you're the Dj.... |
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PsYx
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Posted : Feb 3, 2005 00:42
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Sorry...was a bit offtopic...but....i normally just play around live on keyboard with samples & Synths.....and take out the best "Live " played stuff ...
And some tracks don't need any long intro at all .... |
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Posted : Feb 3, 2005 01:42
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WAVELOGIX - Pick some songs in all kind of music , and analize the intro.
Analizing and understanding off what other mucisians do to create music is a great way of being better and inspiret.
Sorry about my bad english 
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CLAW
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Posted : Feb 3, 2005 01:45
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Well if we take into consideration that a trak is made for a dj to mix it in a set, then is the main part that gathers the attention...
But my point of view, is that when i make trax, i like to make them be like a little stories... Finding a good intro, then all the rest are comingt right after 
Intro is good... It takes u where the trak wants to take u
Nomatter if the intro falls into your categories, try to make a good intro...
Sometimes, even if the kik and bass starts immitietly, then the rest should follow the same, make it driving
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PoM
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Posted : Feb 3, 2005 02:12
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for me it s more easy to do the intro at the end ,i just take some fx ,voice and things in the track for do the intro |
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XrTC
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Posted : Feb 3, 2005 03:07
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i don't think i would ever start a track by making the intro first. maybe it's not so bad doing so, cos it can give you ideas for the rest of the track. but so far my tracks start from a 'sketch' of main part/parts and then i move on to detailed sequence of intro, outro etc. maybe i am lucky enough and (so far) i firstly have the idea, which then i put down to a track (haven't started a track from kick/bass yet). 
also, like CHP says, a track should be a story by itself (with intro being the prologue). so, like in stories, the prologue is preparing you with what will follow in the story. therefore it's good to put some elements of the main parts in the intro, but be careful cos you only want to increase the anticipation and not spoil the fun by "exposing" it all.
hard job the intro, yes, but like my gf says: if you want smth to be special, you gotta start it good and you gotta end it good... who knows, maybe she's right lol
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Dark_Dork
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Posted : Feb 3, 2005 03:39
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The hardest parts to come up with, in my opinion, are the start and the end of the track.
My way of writing is experementing a bit till i come up with some good patterns, and these become main partspeaks of the track. So then all i need to do is decide how to arrange them...
But the intro always gets me confused... I always just stack a bunch of weird sounds and effects, then get some bass going, and whoomp insert a kick.  Pretty boring...
Also endings are hard! I can't just drag another minute after the peak with some kick-bass-percs, slowly taking off layers of sounds... thats really boring. And not psy at all if you ask me.
Yeah so thats my bitching for the night... |
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Kaz
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Posted : Feb 3, 2005 11:48
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Every other day, people explain here that there is something else that is the "hardest".
I'll make this simple:
Did you think that maybe starting with a kick and/or bass early on is not necessary? The same "rules" for track structure (energy increase/release, shifting between sounds to keep it interesting, etc) still hold. There is no difference - if you know how to build a track, this should come just as naturally.
There are quite a few 'standard' views of how to do this:
1) Rhythm buildup: used a lot in progressive, playing around with the percussion and bassdrum, leaving the entrance of the bassline until later, keeping the suspense high until you're ready to move to the energetic phase (perfect example: Shiva Chandra - Acht Achtel, the bassline is what decides when the opening is over).
2) Harmonic/classical buildup: Work through melodies and effects to create a cinematic feel - again, suspense is the key word here. Infected Mushroom built 90% of their intros this way - you build up until the sound feels complete and you reach a natural 'stopping point' (don't ask me how to define it, you just know it once you get there), and then you will feel that the kick and bassline will complete the sound naturally (Infected Mushroom - Wider is a good example of how it's done).
3) Punch-in-the-Face: you can always just say "f*ck it" and start in full blast. Don't think about anything other than how you're gonna start getting as high a power level as you can as fast as you can when working this way. Tim Schuldt was the first to really do this right.
What I'm saying is very simple. The moment you close yourself into thinking about exactly what you're going to do of course you'll not have as many options. The opening is when you can play around with all your effects and atmospheres, percussions, grooves, whatever, it's supposed to be MUCH less limiting than working with the stringent limitations of psytrance (4-on-the-floor beats and a bassline guiding the track, bass oriented mixdown). It should be LESS hard to think of what to do.
In the end it boils down to "use fx, strings, leads, vocals, whatever - just make it build up towards something... or not. Just make it cool". Ask a 12 year old to do this and he will think it's much easier than making a good psytrance rhythm.
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WAVELOGIX
Wavelogix
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Posted : Feb 3, 2005 12:41
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ok , nice to hear from all you people ... very heplful stuff and definately some food for thought ...
well , where are the other users ? waiting for their comments to come ...
respect .. chandan ! |
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EYB
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Posted : Feb 3, 2005 17:36
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Hi m8
Just do a cool intro, don't think to much about it
There are not many ways if u do analyse it, but thats also with more stuff in trance, for example always 4/4 beat.
Peace
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