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Kryten
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Posted : Jan 11, 2011 17:59:05
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Mike A
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Posted : Jan 15, 2011 21:03
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I agree with every single word there.
This should get more replies and discussion.
Too bad that 99% of the people here probably never paid for an audio software piece ever.
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dreadieg
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Posted : Jan 15, 2011 21:17
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i'd love to pay for every piece of software i own, and fully intend on it.
when i have money that doesn't go directly to bills and food.
500 bucks is alot of money to some poor person like me..... |
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Mike A
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Posted : Jan 15, 2011 21:56
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Yea, he covered it:
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| The general state of the economy coupled with the chaotic disintegration of the music marketplace has made times challenging for everyone. It has made the "well, I can't afford it right now so I'll use the pirated version... but I'll buy it for real later" justification intoxicatingly tempting for many. Unfortunately, the reality is that there is a tipping point: when too many people go that route, the viability of small innovative developers disappears, and it is exactly on that precipice we currently find ourselves. |
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Dv2
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Posted : Jan 16, 2011 14:43
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I do not endorse software piracy, but I have a couple of questions:
1.) Most of the time - when I*m looking for a VST on google - why do I get like 10 warez-sites, before google redirects me to a commercial shop?
A lot of other companies regularly have their products removed from sites like megaupload.
This means that VST-producers don*t care?
2.) Why is music equipment so damn expensive?
Regardless of my income, I would never pay 300 bucks for a "simple" compressor-VST, when there are so many free VSTs available. For example, the Sonnox Essential Collection costs 1200$... You can get a car for that kind of money oO
1200$ for a compressor, an EQ, a reverb and a De-Esser? Although those plugs are high quality, I doubt that they are sooo much better (worth more) than good free VSTs, for example. Who is supposed to buy this?
I don*t see some hobbyist spending that kind of money. Kids who learn the craft don*t have enough money, too. So, the potential customer who remains is some kind of a professional musician, who earns a lot of money? (yeah, right)...
My point is, maybe VST-producers should stop complaining and start thinking about changing their game. Sure, if I made a product and it gets stolen, I*d be pissed, too. But I would not simply put all the blame on some kids who use cracked software. I used cracked software before, but it*s not like I would*ve really bought the product or benefited from it.
Which means, although I did use their software a couple of times, they never lost a customer and I never made a penny using their work. So, now I am responsible for their downfall?
Lower those insane prices and you will see a lot more sales, I guess...
Build a fanbase of satisfied customers, who will grow to love your software and there will be people supporting you in the future...
Remember, my intention is not to say that using warez is a good thing. I*m only trying to express my thoughts on different perspectives on the matter.
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MeditationProfonde
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Posted : Jan 16, 2011 14:52
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The people to blame are those who sell music they made with warezed software. Artistic creation should be free, not music selling.
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antidentity
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Posted : Jan 16, 2011 16:45
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"For those who think that piracy is a victimless crime, think again. Think about the software engineers who were laid off because of the iLok incident. Think of their families who lost a source of income. You know piracy is wrong. Do the right thing, 'buy the software you use'."
to me that sounds kinda like the software company holding a gun to their own employees and being like "DO AS I SAY!!!!" to the musicians who use their products.
don't get me wrong, i buy most of my software because it tends to work better and comes with amenities that would not be available to the cracked versions, but i say more power to you if cracking is your thing.
http://soundcloud.com/antidentity |
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PoM
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Posted : Jan 16, 2011 17:23
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many companies make LOT of money, piracy or not.i don t want to encourage people using cracks but if a company have problems , it can be more bad buisness than piracy imo. |
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Trevon
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Posted : Jan 16, 2011 17:32
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I love to pay for my software. everytime I use legit stuff, I think: wuahh, this one is mine 
I feel happy and proud. lot's of companies offer support, updates and special promos for customers and that's very cool.
the piracy also affected the music market.. on mainstream and alternatives circuits.
psytrance albums leak very fast. google an album name, on many of them google show pirate sites before webshops... it must be very frustrating for producers 
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ohshit
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Posted : Jan 16, 2011 22:22
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everytime i read about piracy i feel the need to post an extract from Cocko's site (the creators of Reaper daw):
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| -No Risk
The evaluation version of REAPER is complete and uncrippled. There are no artificial interruptions or restrictions, and you can save and load projects normally. We believe in giving you a fair chance to make sure that REAPER works correctly with your hardware and suits your workflow.
The REAPER installer simply copies REAPER and its support files to disk. It does not install anything except itself.
If after 30 days you decide that REAPER is not for you, simply delete it.
If you decide that REAPER is for you, you must purchase a license.
-No Intrusive Copy Protection
We believe that technological enforcement of copy protection is not in the best interest of our customers.
-Honest Business Model
We offer a good product at a fair price.
We don't spend money and effort on marketing, complicated piracy protection, or other things that do not directly improve REAPER and the user experience.
We think the good will generated by playing fair and being responsive to users is more valuable to our business than short-term profits.
-Fair Pricing
There is only one version of REAPER. We offer two licenses, depending on how you use it.
$150: full commercial license.
$40: discounted license.
You may use the discounted license if any of the following is true:
-You are an individual, using REAPER only for personal use.
-You are an individual or business, using REAPER for commercial use, and the yearly gross revenue does not exceed USD $20,000.
-You are an educational or non-profit organization.
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freechameleon
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Posted : Jan 17, 2011 10:02
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would be interesting to know how many pro users - for whom the software is designed - use an illegal copy.
imo the business is not lacking money because hobby users don't pay for their copy, they bring _additional_ income, because some of them really buy it. those expensive softwares are made for the people who already pay for it. companies must calculate - and i'm sure they do - their profit just in the pro world.
but it's cool to run the propaganda machine to make more people pay, a company at least has to give it a try.
maybe it's their own fault because they created a very strong demand for expensive tools amongst hobby users where it is not appropriate!
for me it's like making a concert, having overpaid popular bands there in an overcrowded place, ripping off people with futuristic prices for single entry tickets, drinks and snacks, having every spot plastered with advertisement plus selling merchandising, and then blame the few people who are standing outside the fence to listen that those steal from the organisers and musicians, because they don't pay for their tickets.
audio software companies should not fear the hobby users who get their product for free, but the free software movement.
i know many in here don't believe, but linux offers _everything_ plus more for pro audio, there are studios who use it, there are lots of musicians who use it. there are several very potent free operating systems tailored for realtime audio use. there are loads of free high quality programs, sequencers, synths, editors, fx, ...
ardour 3 with midi sequencing will come very soon and lives well just from donations.
linuxdsp offers pro plugins for 10-20 pound each. check it before you cry it's not pro!
there is enough hardware working with linux and many companies already support linux programmers to make their audiointerfaces work.
don't say it's crap because you don't know it!
don't say it's crap because you tried linux in 1990 and didn't understand it!
don't say it's crap because it must be when it's free!
but if you fear you won't get your payable update to productname 2.5 before next christmas, then hurry up and be a nice customer! |
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Scrambled Headz
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Posted : Jan 17, 2011 10:10
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regarding software 'piracy'
why would i buy when every 1 has the same 20+gb folder with tons of cracked plugins in their computer...
i used to buy my vst's and even samples lirbaries...
to b honest i havent bought a vst for a couple of years..i saved my money for hardware etc..
im not rich or wealthy so i have to follow the road that everyone with short budget follows...
try and calculate all the plugins you need....now think if you want to buy them or d/l them and have them up and running for free withing an hour or 2....
: Panaiz *25 Motorbrain :
PSYPRUS MADNESS_OUT NOW ! |
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TimeTraveller
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Posted : Jan 17, 2011 11:27
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I used to have all what is outthere cracked.And I still know all and I know enough to say I dont need it all lol.A few synths from Logic is more than enough
Yess that was once.Now I'm glad I changed my style.And now it becomes serious imo,I understand and focus more and have more fun with a few plug ins that I own.
Ifact the most things you can do without any special plug ins - IF you really understand how things work.
And I do not my sound because I have nothing better to do even though Im pretty critical with myself ,infact I collect material for an album,like most of us.I enjoy taking the time.
And there are some plug ins like phoscyon which I simply love and had to buy because otherwise yesss that much how I respect those guys for what they did I really would have sort of moral issues.
And about other guys who mention what not they all think is good in their endless lists of latest plug ins - i find them funny , go for it - who cares?
That much of plug ins they collect they understand a fuck about it in most cases Im pretty sure.
When a plug in makes your sound and not you using a plug in than it is pointless production imo.And often it souds like that in lots of productions you can hear what was used.
..I also think 95% of psytrance producers ,blue names here for example etc use cracked software,and 95% of producers that indeed have success (all genres) use legal software.
Peace
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onionbrain
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Posted : Jan 17, 2011 14:16
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for me it seems like a new version of the 'selling music' problem.
the market has changed. bandwidth internet is everywhere. instead of complaining on texts like this, companies should search for a new way to survive, exactly like the artists |
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bukboy
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Posted : Jan 17, 2011 15:05
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Agree with onionbrain.
Software only = free download = unsustainable business model
Put the engineers to work on some hardware bits.
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