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The War and Trance.

IsraTrance Junior Member

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Posted : Aug 9, 2008 08:49:53
So I went to central park and saw a free production of the musical Hair. It made me think a lot about the current War that is occurring. The play is a pretty campy take on the Hippie movement, but it was definitely prefaced with a strong serious tone. The plays director came out on stage before the show and talked about how 40 years ago this summer, something incredible was happening in America. It had to do with the war, the draft, LSD, sex, music, art, marijuana and so many other factors. He talked about how the only difference is that during Vietnam there was the draft, which scared and killed the privileged and poor alike. I am not saying this is my view, I just thought his speech was notable.
I am not trying to bring some vague nostalgia to a time I was not around for at all, We are always changing and have moved light years from the hippies both forward and backwards. I do feel that in a way the Hippie movement makes up some of the lineage to the trance movement. So I come to this forum to ask about what trance means in relation to the war we are seeing today. I mean to the Hippie movement was definitely effected by its psychedelic music in many ways.
I know many trance people who have served in the war and I really want to try and be empathetic to there experiences whether they are proud, upset, unsure of it. I want this community (which I do think is a community) to discuss this serious matter.
I would like to end this war, Hell I would like all war to end. I feel like this is something I have been ingrained with as part of the knowledge I have pulled from my trance state experiences.

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Posted : Aug 9, 2008 20:24
i firmly believe that trance music is the new sub-culture music that is grossly understood by the masses, but the few that "get it", are usually people who do not eat their wheaties every day and do not shop at walmart while on their way to church.

For me, music is the perfect rebellion, and especially with trance music we have removed the lyrics so the listener can form their own "vision" based on the sounds, percussions, chord changes, and so on. With pop music, the lyrics usually are about the same topics that have been discussed for generations, Love, heartbreak, bling-bling, my bitches and my hoes, and Thong Songs. Its hard to portray a message of peace and anti-war when you're braggin about all da benjamin's that are in your Prada wallet or how big the wheels are on your Escalade.

I think that anti-commercialism in any form is a great way to give the middle finger to society's expectations of how humans are supposed to behave. This tells the governments that we will not accept what they tell us to do, we live our lives the way that we want to.

trance music is pinnacle in this because there are so many different types and styles to choose from making it a very personal, individual experience. The listener can invoke numerous emotions, the music is usually the key that unlocks the subliminal thought process to change the world for the better.

In pop music, if you try to break the tried-and-true formula, you will not go anywhere. If you don't spend millions of dollars on your music video hiring sexy women, you will not succeed.

I don't think trance music has any direct link to the anti-war movement, but, the people that listen to trance are more inclined to search for something different than what society puts in front of them. We usually are actively against the war as was the case in the 1960's with the hippie movement and the new music genre called Rock music.

We are in a great musical evolution here in 2008. Rock n Roll (especially the psychedelic bands) were not easily accepted back then as we are experiencing in our times. It wasn't until a few years later that people "understood" the new messages in that wild music of the past thus marking history with a Musical Revolution, a rattling of the cages if you will.

With trance, we are shaking things up in the commercial world by showing people that you don't have to copy the last person to make good music or even be a good human being.

Be individual, not a sheep. make your own choices, and always take the red pill.           We are all family. We put the fun in disfunctional.
-PsyCircle on Tribe-
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Posted : Aug 10, 2008 02:23
I am reminded of Albert Hofmann's observations concerning the unity of humanity and nature -- often repeated, and sampled on the last Goa Gil mix.

Any experience that allows us to go beyond our own individual identity is a potential catalyst for peace on a local and global scale. The challenge with the 60s cultural revolution was that there was a rapid growth of awareness and freedom, followed by an inevitable backlash.

We have much to learn from studying that era in history -- but the 60s should be neither nostalgized nor ridiculed. The lessons of history provide clear examples of what was working, and what wasn't.

It's my personal belief that we all need to be prepared to advocate for freedom and change in our society at large -- specifically for freedom from consensual crimes that are the norm in nations across the world. Human society wastes an incredible amount of energy and resources policing the actions of its citizens, "protecting" us from actions that in many cases do no harm at all.

That's my belief about the responsibility of global citizens. But trance doesn't necessarily have anything to do with that. Trance is more about going out to commune with mother nature and "create our own happiness" outside of the auspices of the dominator culutre.
IsraTrance Junior Member

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Posted : Aug 11, 2008 05:19
I think its interesting that this topic has 123 views and two responses. I feel like that is very symbolic of the topic itself. This war has been going on for years, thousands are dead and very little has been done to change that. I am not trying to be holier than thou on this one, I do not have any active role in any peace group or anything. I personally do know where to start than other than to live as best I know as a person and to vote for the candidates on the peaceful platform. I wonder if we will see a greater political influence on trance if the economy worsens and war breaks out with Iran.
I definitely agree that trance is not anti-war in its message. It seems to me to be largely focusing on inner-peace if any peace at all. Does anyone know the of there are political connections between trance music and war in Israel?
IsraTrance Junior Member

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Posted : Aug 11, 2008 06:17
The only thing I don't like about the war, personally, is that it isn't people who signed up to kill and die vs. people who signed up to kill and die. It's people who signed up to kill and die vs. civilians. Most of what I hear about how people support or don't support the war is that they want to end the war because they support the troops. Sorry, but I don't. They signed up to kill, and I don't support violence. The difference in having a draft and not when comparing this war to Vietnam is huge. I don't feel bad for the loved ones of 4,000 people who voluntarily died on a lie. I do feel bad for the loved ones of 8-90,000 civilian Iraqis that died just trying to live their lives.

As for Trance's relation to it: I used to think the psy scene in the US was 99.9% against the war until I heard 3 guys sitting around at a festival talking about how great John McCain is. It's a personal thing and a really sensitive issue, and it varies with people's backgrounds and experience. The US government isn't even aware of anything about what being involved with Trance generally teaches you, and it isn't like we're the only group that's, for the most part, against the war, because then you're talking about 70% of the population. This isn't a political or spiritual movement, it's just something that people can learn from on an individual level.           You believe in the users?
Yeah, sure. If I don't have a user, then who wrote me?

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Posted : Aug 24, 2008 02:35
Psytrance is real freedom since it does not really even have a political alignment. When I am at a party or festival the only thing that matters is that we respect each other and everyone has a good time. When we all realize that those should be the only rules to life then possibly can we have peace.
IsraTrance Junior Member

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Posted : Aug 24, 2008 08:14
Standards are becoming distorted regularly. You'd relate one kind of people with certain beliefs but you'd be wrong because consumerism has transformed ideologies into trends and personal dispositions are overlapping with what the world around us says and does. I know this because on occasions i have allowed a dark thought where you wouldn't necessarily find it. I keep struggling with those urges to have the iphone or wear a badass t-shirt and be loyal to my beliefs and mother earth in the same time. Essentially, that's what's becoming of people. We just don't care anymore and even if we do it doesn't become manifested in any formidable way.

Many psytrancers are politically incorrect, straight out druggies or lost in deep space and selfishness that personal illumination equals feeling of being above the mortals.

My attitude towards the culture has become pretty fucking ambivalent...i'm suffering. But then people are always people and let them have it their way without judging them.

check out , if you haven't, Ishmael by Daniel Quinn.           the sky was pink
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