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The vicious circle of Psychedelic music.
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Djones
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Posted : Oct 15, 2008 12:17:44
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Ok, first there was music.
Then there was a group of people, deciding to use Psychedelics while listening to music.
What they heard was Psychedelic music, because they were on Psychedelics.
Being so excited about their latest experiment, they wanted to share it with others.
So Psychedelic music was born.
Music where elements from Psychedelic experiences were put in.
But this wasn't enough for people.
As music had to be innovative, artist had to experience Psychedelic music on Psychedelics to come back with new 'Psychedelic' ideas.
What they experienced was Psychedelic Psychedelic music.
But also this wasn't enough for people, as they just went on to use more Psychedelics, while listening to Psychedelic Psychedelic Music.
What they experienced was Psychedelic Psychedelic Psychedelic music.
In order to come up with new ideas, artists again had to use Psychedelics to be a step ahead of the rest, and to bring elements of a Psychedelic experience of Psychedelic Psychedelic Psychedelic music with them, to add in their latest tracks.
So another layer of Psychedelics was added to that of Psychedelic Psychedelic Psychedelic music, called ‘Psychedelic Psychedelic Psychedelic Psychedelic music’.
But again, people weren’t satisfied by this latest development and decided to still use Psychelics on the latest form of Psychedelic music again.
What they experienced was, Psychedelic Psychedelic Psychedelic Psychedelic Psychedelic music.
Again artists had to take Psychedelics to experience their own quintuple-Psychedelic music and to bring new and fresh ideas back from their trips, to again be a step ahead of the rest.
And to surprise all listeners with more crazy, twisted Psychedelic music.
I could go one like this all day long, and that exactly the same problem as what I have in my head when I think of Psychedelic music.
It seems like a silly vicious circle which will never come to an end, as long as the Psychedelic scene will be using Psychedelics.
That is as long as we judge the music on its Psychedelicness.
In a way I find it useless, as we will never accept the music as it is, but how we experience it thru the use of Psychedelics, and this could go one forever.
What do you think?
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Kane
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Posted : Oct 15, 2008 13:54
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meh. It isn't anywhere near as simple as this.
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demoniac
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Posted : Oct 15, 2008 15:35
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Djones
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Posted : Oct 15, 2008 16:02
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On 2008-10-15 15:35, demoniac wrote:
yes your topic is a stupid idea, sorry but it is not like you think
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How is it then?
Of course it's just one way of looking at it.
I just wonder why we all take Psychedelics if the music is supposed to sound like we're on acid already.
Besides I find your post a bit unfriendly towards me.
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Flipo
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Posted : Oct 15, 2008 16:35
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44 Psychedelics in your mind... |
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Djones
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Posted : Oct 15, 2008 16:41
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On 2008-10-15 16:35, Flipo wrote:
44 Psychedelics in your mind...
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Maybe it is in fact me, getting crazy. |
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Ascension
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Posted : Oct 15, 2008 17:46
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All I wanna say to the OP is: source?
You're making a very ridiculous, ungrounded claim here.
The man who discovered the double helix structure of DNA was on a dose of acid. Does that mean that in order to decode our genome we're gonna have to take more and more acid as we progress? This topic is like claiming that to be true too....
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sure_smoke_alot
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Posted : Oct 15, 2008 18:08
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@djones
pass that bong here, u've had enough of it 
the problem with valuing art is, till u dont understand it, it's worthless but wen u do understand it, it's priceless!! |
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Djones
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Posted : Oct 15, 2008 18:38
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Of course I don't mean this as a fact.
It's like a logical assumption of how things develop in the Psytrance scene.
See my first point is that people started to use fx and such on guitar sounds and whatever.
So that we could experience 'Psychedelic' music without Psychedelics.
I'd assume that also most musical ideas in Psytrance come from being under influence of Psychedelics.
So once you take those ideas and put them in your music, people 'should' already understand what you 'mean' with those elements.
But when the listener is also on Psychedelics, this will create a double Psychedelic effect.
As the already Psychedelic elements are now experienced thru Psychedelics.
So a 'logical' following step would be, the artist hearing his own Psychedelic music on Psychedelics, to come up with even stronger Psychedelic musical elements, to put in his next track.
And this could just go on and on and on.
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Basilisk
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Posted : Oct 15, 2008 18:53
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I don't do psychedelics... which is precisely why I enjoy psytrance; it is music for free association and mental transportation, no chemical augmentation required.
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episoded
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Posted : Oct 15, 2008 20:20
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and still music it is
..see the sound
hear the colours.. |
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Gman
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Posted : Oct 15, 2008 20:33
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On 2008-10-15 12:17:44, Djones wrote:
Ok, first there was music.
Then there was a group of people, deciding to use Psychedelics while listening to music.
What they heard was Psychedelic music, because they were on Psychedelics.
Being so excited about their latest experiment, they wanted to share it with others.
So Psychedelic music was born.
Music where elements from Psychedelic experiences were put in.
But this wasn't enough for people.
As music had to be innovative, artist had to experience Psychedelic music on Psychedelics to come back with new 'Psychedelic' ideas.
What they experienced was Psychedelic Psychedelic music.
But also this wasn't enough for people, as they just went on to use more Psychedelics, while listening to Psychedelic Psychedelic Music.
What they experienced was Psychedelic Psychedelic Psychedelic music.
In order to come up with new ideas, artists again had to use Psychedelics to be a step ahead of the rest, and to bring elements of a Psychedelic experience of Psychedelic Psychedelic Psychedelic music with them, to add in their latest tracks.
So another layer of Psychedelics was added to that of Psychedelic Psychedelic Psychedelic music, called ‘Psychedelic Psychedelic Psychedelic Psychedelic music’.
But again, people weren’t satisfied by this latest development and decided to still use Psychelics on the latest form of Psychedelic music again.
What they experienced was, Psychedelic Psychedelic Psychedelic Psychedelic Psychedelic music.
Again artists had to take Psychedelics to experience their own quintuple-Psychedelic music and to bring new and fresh ideas back from their trips, to again be a step ahead of the rest.
And to surprise all listeners with more crazy, twisted Psychedelic music.
I could go one like this all day long, and that exactly the same problem as what I have in my head when I think of Psychedelic music.
It seems like a silly vicious circle which will never come to an end, as long as the Psychedelic scene will be using Psychedelics.
That is as long as we judge the music on its Psychedelicness.
In a way I find it useless, as we will never accept the music as it is, but how we experience it thru the use of Psychedelics, and this could go one forever.
What do you think?
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all da bla bla bla??? = EVOLUTION!!!
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Jedi_knight
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Posted : Oct 15, 2008 22:06
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@Djones
You can listen to any kind of music with psychedelics but it does not mean that then all kinds of music become psychedlic...
So you are wrong in the fisrst place of your circle...
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rich
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Posted : Oct 15, 2008 23:40
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On 2008-10-15 22:06, Jedi_knight wrote:
@Djones
You can listen to any kind of music with psychedelics but it does not mean that then all kinds of music become psychedlic...
So you are wrong in the fisrst place of your circle...
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Right. It starts first with intention. And it seems the purer the intention, the more true the music is. That's why genuine psychedelic music doesn't require you to be on psychedelics to 'get it'.
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Posted : Oct 16, 2008 00:34
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Î have to disagree, how can something can be "psychedelic" if it doesnt was influenced by a psychedlic experience?
All psychedelic art must be influenced by or pretend to be part of an altered state of mind, it can be by drugs, meditation, extreme pain or even mental illness or other means of getting the mind out of its normal working.
"The dedication to repetition — the search for nirvana in a single held tone or an endlessly cycling rhythm — is one of electronic music's noblest gestures." |
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