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___byteadelic
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Posted : Dec 3, 2001 14:04:21
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To everybody who keeps on arguing about infected, I've got one thing that I must say, Infected had a breakthrough style, just as Andy warhol did, in some sort of way, they innovated with their production + build-ups + fx , their complete style, the only problem they've got (just like Andy warhol, Hux-flux, Piccasso) and all the great artists is that they cannot innovate a new style, its their trademark, their signature.
The gathering was their newborn, breakthrough album, which gave birth to the infected-style, thats why 90% of the people out there will say it was the best.
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___kaz
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Posted : Dec 3, 2001 15:04:17
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IM, Hux-Flux and Picasso?
Please, give me a break. IM and Hux-Flux won't be remembered in 100 years, because there art is OBVIOUS. There is nothing in it more than what you hear the first time.
If you would have said Oforia and Logic Bomb, I wouldn't have agreed with you, but I couldn't just shrug it off that easily as something that's obviously wrong.
The production in The Gathering was the worst of all their works as IM, the only thing that was groundbreaking there is that the made melody intensive tracks with a modern style (not goa), and not cheesy... Not their production (there are acts out there with better production), not their buildups (Phreaky, Hallucinogen, Psychopod, Son Kite, to name a few), and as to the FX... well, it's a matter of taste, but people tell me that "GMS are the only ones that do it right" or "IM are..." or "Posford is..."
Their style maybe your favorite. But there is a HUGE difference between Morrison and Manzarek to Erez and Duvdev.
Quality, harmony, melodies and style do not make good music, but there is depth (which IM usually don't put much effort in), there is psychedelia (please, don't tell me IM are the kings of psychedelia, because they're pretty damn far from it), and most of all, there is nothing hidden behind the obvious in their music (true to most of their tracks, not all).
Of course, I prefer to attribute this to the fact that they made 3 albums in 2 years, because they ARE talented.
But they still have a long way to go to become one of the trance "fathers" like AP, Koxbox, Hallucinogen, Transwave, GMS, MFG, Total Eclipse, SUN Project, MWNN, etc...
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___ChillCrew
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Posted : Dec 3, 2001 15:19:38
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Well, I'd say Infected are certainly not "fathers" of trance, but they are certianly the Prefered son by many who were dissapointed from the "if it aint broke don't fix it" attitude which layd upon some trance act (and i wont mention any Names *cough*Astral*cough*).
Asaf is right. comparing any trance act (or modern musical act) imho is a wrong idea in the first place, especially comparing trance music to classical composers and contemporary artists such as picasso. it the music of the new millenia and slightly b4 that, but by all means, Trance is not as ground breaking as, say, the Guernica, or the 6th symphony. it just used off elements of those. Infected mushroom included. |
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___TrancEisT
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Posted : Dec 3, 2001 15:19:50
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Asaf - you should write a book.
i agree with you on everything here :) |
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___DCQ
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Posted : Dec 3, 2001 16:04:23
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im gonna do my usual offend everyone by disagreeing with everything everyone says party trick now
whoi knows whether infected will be remembered in 100 years
trance will be, because when the early trance music began to evolve it was something new and different, a new branch of electronic music
in all fairness, i think infected are good because of their ditinct sound.... i definitely think theyve changed, not their sound, but their style since their early stuff, cos bp empire is definitely different to their earlier albums
and the fact is, most psytrance artists dont have a noticable sound
ok, thats your oppinion whether or not thats good or bad
but somepeople criticise them because theyve changed
yet ppl also criticise astral because they havent changed
i disagree with you asaf, about depth in their music
ok, im not saying that theirs emotional depth in there, but i do think they have an ear for production and for craftsmanship that very few other artists share
tha doesnt mean i think their stuff is the best, but i do think it is a talent unique to them... i havent heard an album crafted as well asw BP for some years now
optymistique, i sorta disagree withn you, i dont think they really crteated a new style, because the same features of their stuff (breakdowns, etc) was evolving elsewhere
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___kaz
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Posted : Dec 3, 2001 16:13:49
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[quote]in all fairness, i think infected are good because of their ditinct sound....
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most psytrance artists dont have a noticable sound
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i disagree with you asaf, about depth in their music, im not saying that theirs emotional depth in there, but i do think they have an ear for production and for craftsmanship that very few other artists share[/quote]
point #1: a distinct sound doesn't make the music any better.
point #2: most psytrance artists don't have their own sound is not accurate, and all of the big names and the leaders of the scene DO. That doesn't make them any better or worse though.
point #3 (the big one): A good ear and good production don't make music deep (which I think you tried to say), and I did say that IM are pros. Depth of emotion is something that takes MUCH MORE than a good ear and a sense of rhythm to make. There is also the minimal depth, which is something totally different (depth through progression)... But none of those have anything to do with production. |
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___DCQ
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Posted : Dec 3, 2001 17:13:34
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dude, i agree with his bit of what ur sayin
ok, i like infected
i think construction wise, theyre VERY clever, and that their albums have a flow with other artists lack
i didnt say that made them musical geniuses.... but i think in this respect (in my oppinion) that they are geniuses in terms of production, and construction....i think they manage to throw so many ideas in to a track, yet still make it flow, and its very clever
yes, sure, the big names have thier own distinct sound, like infected or astral
thats often how they become big
what i meant was that a lot of the new artists coming through dont have the kind of distinct unique feel to their music
i think though emotion is a very tricky thing to talk about
different things get different ppl emotional
infected have made some tracks which i do consider to have a personal connection to me....perhaps psycho and nobody else but me (or whatever the damn tracks called, my memorys gone blank)
whatever, i dont just think u can pass them off as soulless music, even if it doesnt take your fancy |
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___kaz
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Posted : Dec 3, 2001 18:45:02
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I don't.
I just say that they're not worthy of being called leaders on the artistic side of the music, while Oforia or Logic Bomb for instance, are arguably that (even though I don't agree with that too). |
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___I.DAN
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Posted : Dec 4, 2001 04:18:51
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Infected are very talented group, but so is Avi Algranati,Psysex, Cosma, Psycraft, and many more.
Many people are still living in the past, hoping Infected will do another The Gathering c.d.(which from what I heard is never going to happen).
I my self, looking toward the future, to see what other new groups like psysex, and Psycraft will supprise us with. |
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___Karp
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Posted : Dec 4, 2001 14:56:49
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I read somewhere that they were going to give a break on the Infected Mushroom project and work on other things, by the way, Psycraft will surely surprise us... |
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___squidbyte
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Posted : Dec 6, 2001 23:19:37
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its kind of funny but my gf and i are big IM fans and we spent some time playing BP empire and their newish single [also BP empire] and decided that for the most part it wouldn't matter one little bit if we never heard either of those ever again. its kinda funny how we put any of those songs on and just waited and waited for something great... then got sick of it and put on any of the old stuff and within 30 seconds there was something awesome. go figure. |
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