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The truthfull info about Usta's Compilation
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DETOX
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Posted : Feb 17, 2006 14:19
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If telling the truth (that its also the artists fault for being fucked up by these labels) makes me a representative of these bad labels then i choose this way and prefer to live in this real world rather tottally blame the labels about fucking up all these 'young innocent artists' while living in an imaginary world.
Truth hurts you see.
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Le Lotus Bleu
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Posted : Feb 17, 2006 15:25
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it's not real world connected, it's just a greedy view dear Enerst-Antoine. |
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DETOX
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Posted : Feb 17, 2006 15:31
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The artists in this case wanted to take advantage of USTA's whatever fame and good distribution in order to promote their name without caring about any money at all (Franny gave free tracks and the russian guys knew that they wouldnt get payed as they admitted in here but still gave their tunes away) and USTA knowing this fact released their music and afterwards didnt pay any further attention to them and their rights.
So is USTA the only greedy person in this case or is it both the artists and the label?
Artists just want to promote themself at any cost and USTA wants to release shitty music with zero cost in order to gain maximum profit.
The blame splits in half and whoever doesnt see that is either naive or blind.
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Le Lotus Bleu
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Posted : Feb 17, 2006 15:34
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it's not because you'll repeat it that it'd make change people opinion dear Ernerst-Antoine. |
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DETOX
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Posted : Feb 17, 2006 16:08
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My aim is not to change people's opinion but to make them see things that they probably didnt pay attention so far or they even ignored.I am not here to manipulate anyone especially when i am not personally involved in this case by being either an artist or a USTA representative.
I am just telling my opinion and while many people aggree with me some others like you dear Lotus Bleue just disaggree.
Toodaloo Motherfuckers!!!!! |
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etnarama
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Posted : Feb 17, 2006 16:13
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Tris
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Posted : Feb 17, 2006 16:22
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To start with, I think Gravizapa have the right to tell us about good/bad experiences on the scene. That what forum are here for.
Only in this case, it would be interesting to have a statement from Zoo-B...
Beside, they have the right to give their music for free to be released to whoever they want.
If they know full well they won't have money an accept it and go only for the promotion, that their own business. It might be a good thing to do for new-comers artists.
I won't call it "greed"...
Except looks like they didn't choose the right label... Because the least a label can do is write proper credits and names on the CD cover. Especially if it's the only thing artists are asking for...
And do a decent mastering too.
Next time guys, work with someone else...
And give only the right to release your track but not license it to third party...
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Posted : Feb 17, 2006 16:43
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On 2006-02-17 16:22, Tris wrote:
That what forum are here for.
Only in this case, it would be interesting to have a statement from Zoo-B...
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good luck with that...
i think the the weight is heavier on the label side in virtually every scenario. it is the body that is releasing - the artists are sending anything from pure crap to solid gold and its the label that has a say what comes out and what not. but you gotta be realistic and understand that the trance scene today is a market... were not in 97 anymore or even 2000 in that there is an actual established market and now it dictates the flow and is govered by laws and formulas of any other commercial market.
having said that, its not unreasonable to think that some labels will release pure crap just to make money and not pay the artists... this is something that happens in every market- from vegetables to semi conductors...
the consumers.... yes thats what we have become guys... the consumers need to make a "consumer report" type of guide and use that as a reference for other consumers to utilize.
"On the other hand, you have different fingers."
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Tris
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Posted : Feb 17, 2006 16:57
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Sure...
It was just like, as a general rule, when someone is blaming someone else, it's better to have both sides of the story before deciding who's might be right or wrong.... |
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Posted : Feb 17, 2006 17:03
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On 2006-02-17 16:57, Tris wrote:
Sure...
It was just like, as a general rule, when someone is blaming someone else, it's better to have both sides of the story before deciding who's might be right or wrong....
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for sure.
"On the other hand, you have different fingers."
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Vagator Vibhushan
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Posted : Feb 17, 2006 17:13
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detox, man, ur driving up a wrong alley here - the motivation of an artist wanting to get promoted cannot be equated to that of a label trying to make money, and that too, unfairly
but if what u really mean is that the onus also (though i dont agree equally) lies with the artist to cross-check his facts about a label, u might have a point...but what u have to understand is that the urge to display ur creativity is far more supreme, and noble might i add, than to make money off it...so these incidents will always happen, and instead of trying to explain them off, thanks surrender, we should simply be equivocal about our displeasure
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Misha(Overlap)
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Posted : Feb 18, 2006 12:41
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i think it's time to make BLACK list of Labels and party organizations..and post it some where here,it'll be usful thing for all! And there won't be in future topics like this,because before sell something or go some where people can look to the list!
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Posted : Feb 18, 2006 13:20
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On 2006-02-18 12:41, Misha(Overlap) wrote:
i think it's time to make BLACK list of Labels and party organizations..and post it some where here
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But who is to decide wich labels and party organisors are suppose to be on that list? |
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DETOX
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Posted : Feb 18, 2006 15:32
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Whoever thinks has been fucked up by a label but hasnt got a contract in his hands to prove it LOL
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piko_bianko
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Posted : Feb 18, 2006 15:47
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On 2006-02-17 15:31, DETOX wrote:
Artists just want to promote themself at any cost and USTA wants to release shitty music with zero cost in order to gain maximum profit.
The blame splits in half and whoever doesnt see that is either naive or blind.
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It's indeed a totally 50/50 fact dudes.
I can't understand why this conversasion is going on & on & on... all of you that disagree, you're on "Yes! Of Course!.. BUT..." I don't see any relation between "yes" and "but" in the same expression.
DETOX, good (for some) or bad (for others) guy -it does not matter- said some things that i believe YOU ALL find true, admiting it or not. So this USTA/PUSTA thing is getting quite boring.
You read, you know, you choose, you decide.
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