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The style of trance music played in the U.S.. Commerical or NOT?
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dtmoney
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Posted : Jul 27, 2004 22:03
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HI guys,
I'm having a serious debate with some club trancers. They claim their music is not commerical. I claim it's some of the most commericalized stuff I've ever came in contact with. The music they like is by Paul Van Dyke, Paul Oakenfold, Tiesto, Junkie XL, Sasha, Dj Prince,etc.
Do you guys think of this form trance music as being commerical music or not?
I say yes.
What do you say? |
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gh0zt
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Posted : Jul 27, 2004 22:20
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I depends, melodic/uplifting trance (or whatever you want to call it) can be good but yes a lot is very commercial sounding to me. PVD and Oakenfold no longer produce anything outside the commercial realm anymore, Tiesto I still like (adagio for strings is outstanding), junkie xl and sasha arent really playing progressive i like anymore.
I don't think that all trance is commercial though, tracks on J00F label, or producers like Astura and Timeok still make good trance tracks in my opinion.
However the amount of trance (excluding goa/psy/progressive of course) I listen to has drastically decreased this past year.
 Instead of all the energy and effort directed at the war to end drugs, how about a little attention to drugs which would end war?
-Albert Hofmann
http://www.goa-shoom.net
Goa/Psy & PsyChill @ www.di.fm |
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GOA-PsYcHeD
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Posted : Aug 3, 2004 02:41
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Listen, all of that is definately commercial without any touch of underground in that sense. Tiesto was commercially proclaimed as the best DJ in the WORLD... what is that about, I dunno about that, I used to have all of his MAGIK CDs, officially baught now they're sitting in some used records store Downtown Toronto. Whatever, GOA/PsY/Progressive is starting to have a larger commercial side, however it definately is better than anything PVD, Oakenfold (have you heard his GOA GOLD MIX, ugh, very bad material), Tiesto JunkieXL etc.
My personal opinion from listening to elctronic music for over the past decade, they suck and they are commercial... |
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*Karma Cola*
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Posted : Aug 3, 2004 02:45
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yeah..talkin abt oakenfolds Goa Mixes..they awful..i heard all of them...like there 3 of them..trust me u dont wanna hear them..
stick to the psy.....their so many artists in the psyscene that noone knows abt outside their local scenes...
IMO psytrance is excitingly different...
BOOM!!! |
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paradigm
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Posted : Aug 3, 2004 03:12
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when artists start making music to market to consumer products (i.e. commercials, tv or video games i think that makes them commercical. Junkie Xl, Sasha and Oakey have all done this.
However by the same token, Simon Posford had produced some tracks for latest Grand Tourismo Ps2 game. |
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dtmoney
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Posted : Aug 5, 2004 15:47
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Paradigm:
Very true.
I agree with you all the way. In addtion to be a psy head, I am also a hardcore gamer(Just haven't been playing that much cuz I've been busy as shit  ).
As far as video games are concerned, video games didn't go super commerical until final fantasy 7 came out on ps1(This is in america mind you). It was pretty underground before that, and only the hardest core of the hard would be really into it. It pisses me off that my favorite past time of life went mainstream, but this will not make me stop playing (started playing games at five).
Anyways, I am looking forward to GT4, and since simon is producing some tracks for it, this makes my expectations for the game even higher. Simon and SONY better not fuck this one up, I swear to god!!!
Bounty:
Oakenfold's voyage into trance suck duck balls. Danny Rampling's, on the otherhand, was fantastic.
GOA-PsYcHeD:
You're lucky. Toronto rocks. I wish I was there right now. Great town.
gh0zt:
I don't call it melodic or uplifiting. It's too ambigious because uplifiting/melodic goa,psy, and progressive exists. I call it mainstream because this is what most people in america know trance as(ooopps my mistake, I meant techno. All electronic music to them is techno).
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kife
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Posted : Aug 5, 2004 23:04
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i don't know what your guys problem with Oakey is... yeah everything he does has a very clear commercial orientation. But he licensed many kick-ass tracks from TIP, Dragonfly, Phonokol etc. for a few of his mixes back in '96, which gave them MAJOR European exposure when they needed it the most. So even though they're not technically great from a DJing standpoint, they did help legitimize & launch the Goa trance genre.
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sage2012
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Posted : Aug 6, 2004 02:19
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the thing is, even though a lot of this stuff sounds really commercial (especially to people that primarily listen to psytrance), it really hasn't been over-exposed nearly as much as it has been in other markets outside of the US, or at least, outside of some of the major US cities. that is not to say that it is non-existant, but there are still plenty of younger people (and by that i mean under 30) that think that all genres of EDM (trance, techno, house, d&b, etc..) all fall under the general umbrella of 'techno'. so while the likes of people like oakey, tiesto, pvd, and sasha might all sound like really mainstream club music to the average (psy)trance-head, to the majority of people out there that just listen to rock and pop music would think that these club music artists and djs are a novelty that they would not have been exposed to unless somebody personally exposed them to it, since this kind of thing seldom ever gets played on the radio in middle-america and virtually never on television.
michael
www.atlantapsytrance.net
http://touchsamadhi.com/artists/michael-curran
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offthenutboom
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Posted : Aug 6, 2004 22:18
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IMHO there is no difference between the path of good old straight up trance and psy-trance. There are still producers in both genres who are taking it futher creatively as others are pushing for the buck. There is trance nowadays that is very exiting in terms of production and arragements... not psychedelic... but still interesting in terms of evolution.
In the late 80s acid was king, in the mid 00s IMHO is the availability of low cost, professional sounding digital production + a sophistication in terms of composition as well as engineering. Both, acid and todays productions, are the stepping stone into a new evolution in electronic music. IMHO it will spore a new creative explosion.
IMHO creating a capitalistic industry around the artists and his or her art, strangles the artists imagination, as art becomes a cosumer product itself. So now the artists shifts its purpose closer to a product designer. The result is a standarized mass produced tune, which will reach a greater population. Maybe, and i might be taking this further than I am suppose to... maybe the ppl newly aquired by this designed song can care less about the philosophy and culture which fuel the art in the first place. Ending up being a hollow movement just driven by money.
For me this is the death of art... a scene and a movement. Of course this is my opinion. |
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