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The similarity between religious symbols
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Xolvexs
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Posted : Jun 27, 2010 20:33
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theres a line and a curve in every religious symbol have you all noticed that isnt that strange lines and curves...you can have lines and curves with cocaine too that means cocaine is a religion how amazing
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Pauldo
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Posted : Jul 7, 2010 04:20
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On 2010-04-27 01:08:00, Fometrius wrote:
If you look at different religious symbols you will find a common theme. They all form a oneness,they all form a mandala like symbol.
If you first look at this page ( a page with picture on many religious symbols )
http://academic.evergreen.edu/w/whesha05/ETOforSteve/RCP%202009/_vector-religious-symbols-set1-preview-by-dragonart.png
And then look at this page
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mandala
Then you will see this.
My opinion about this is that this is because that all religions are interpretations of the same thing.And why does the symbol form a singularity ,that is because the deeper spiritual experience shows us that everything is a singularity and that what we call god is ourselfes,everyone else and everywhere.What symbol could be better for that then one symbol that forms a singularity?
Do you have anything to say about this?
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Are you smoking crack or something? I don't understand at all how you see a sameness between all of those symbols. What are you talking about?
I would agree, religions are the interpretation of the same thing...the greatest cognitive misstep of man's existence! Right up there with the Earth is flat and the Sun revolves around us.
It is not uncommon for people from distant lands create, invent and design things that are similar/same. We are all 6 billion copies of basically the same blueprint. The human condition is the same everywhere so it's likely people would come up with the same solutions for that condition.
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shahar
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Posted : Jul 28, 2010 13:29
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Pauldo- chill out, please.
And to the topic, different religious symbols have similarities, as different religions have similarities, as different people have similarities. We are all human and in many ways very similar to each other. The common is much more present than the dividing, no matter what some people try to make you think and feel.
In some ways, this can be the oneness Fometrius is talking about (and I'm leaving god out of the picture...).
But still there's always the other, the different, it is there, hence the differences- in people, in religions, in symbols. But this is for me the biggest unsolved puzzle and inherent paradox in our existence (of course I'm not in any way the first to notice it...).
Many claim that by bridging that difference, by truly realizing that the other is you, that all is one, lies the path to salvation, or at least to better living. If that is true each has to check for himself. My personal feeling that there is something to it.
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Gunter
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Posted : Jul 28, 2010 14:29
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On 2010-07-28 13:29, shahar wrote:
Many claim that by bridging that difference, by truly realizing that the other is you, that all is one, lies the path to salvation, or at least to better living. If that is true each has to check for himself. My personal feeling that there is something to it.
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I am neutral to that. I can`t have an opinion, because I have not experienced it. And I also don`t know, if it`s not existing. just it seems to be not logical to me. What is connecting us an how? And what`s the advantage of it? And why don`t I feel it? Please anybody with experience share some light. |
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Maine Coon
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Posted : Jul 28, 2010 19:05
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I am sure you know benefits of being a member of a family, as opposed to being an orphan. So, your “I have not experienced it” is a bit of an exaggeration. The whole question here is just how large of a group you consider your family, that’s all.
That’s one way of looking at it (which I will justify later). On a more personal level, it's a difference of living alone vs. living with your soul mate. When you experience it you’ll know it. All explanations in the world will seem useless and trite at that point. So, I am not going to offer any. 
Back to the “family thing”. If you read Abrahamic scriptures, you’ll notice that whole groups of people are referred to by the name of their founders. You read about “Judah” or “Mannasseh” and “Ephraim”, for example, and more often than not it would be about nations and tribes, not individual patriarchs. Jesus often referred to himself as “Son of Man” – i.e. human (no, I am not up to any arguments with Christians here). Qur’an speaks of “`Aad and Thamud” in the same way. The common ancestor is how people used to define themselves. This is how most people still define themselves. We all have last names, which refer to our clan. Those last names are constructed in a way to implicitly refer to our “tribe” too (although I know a Levine who believes he is French  ). And, most importantly, the latest research in population genetics suggests that “out-of-Africa” theory is correct. We all come from the same root (to the chagrin of white supremacists). We are all “children of Adam”. So, considering the whole humanity as your extended family is not a delusion. Whether modern humans are capable of that – this is an entirely different issue.
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Xolvexs
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Posted : Jul 28, 2010 19:11
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every religion tries to be different but in the end we all die and in the begining we all are born in between is the confusion and that confusion --forget about it
Born-Die rest all is just a way of willing away time
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Gunter
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Posted : Jul 29, 2010 10:00
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@Maine Coon: Thanx for your answer, but you misunderstood or I pointed i out badly. I was talking about the fact, that some people are talking about an energy connecting us and not about what we have in common |
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Maine Coon
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Posted : Jul 29, 2010 18:12
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Yeah, that’s something I am not sure about either. I mean, I think there is something to it; I am just not sure it can proceed in this direction.
I believe in a one-on-one relationship with God (or whatever you may choose to call It). No need for mediators. So, if I don’t need a priest or a dozen of people chanting around me – why would it be different with a hundred of dancing trancers?
I think it’s not that we find God by uniting – it’s the other way around. Each one of us finds God (in a personal and not institutional way) and through this common root we all unite.
P.S. Any boneheaded talk like “my god is better than yours” or “it’s not God, it’s super-duper universal enlightening energy” is just a sign that a person never found It, imho.
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kameleonpangea36
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Xolvexs
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balance is an illusion
when a tornado comes the tree and alonng with its roots blown away...after that there is calm..calm is not balance...calm is comforting and natural, balance is artifical. its mans interference with the forces of nature --do little here and do little there and its balanced...it doesnt work that way...Calm and tranquility are beyond the realm of balance..true balance cannot be seen, its withing..its like your fingers are in balance while you are typing and your brain is in balance with your fingers..thats balance..everything outside of you is not a part of balance..its part of composure and calm..balance is internal calm is external manifestation of balance..everyone says they want balance balance but no body talks about Calm and Composure that often..balance is fragile
i can push you and you will be off balance instantly ...but if your calm and composed loosing your balance should not matter much..thats what martial arts teaches you...calm your nerves and senses and balance is just a commodity- lift it drop it
put pressure release pressure open close breathe in breathe out- wax on wax off
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goabrainbow
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Posted : Sep 1, 2010 09:41
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Is this question in reference to Mandalas? |
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Fometrius
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Posted : Oct 14, 2010 09:07
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On 2010-07-07 04:20, Pauldo wrote:
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On 2010-04-27 01:08:00, Fometrius wrote:
If you look at different religious symbols you will find a common theme. They all form a oneness,they all form a mandala like symbol.
If you first look at this page ( a page with picture on many religious symbols )
http://academic.evergreen.edu/w/whesha05/ETOforSteve/RCP%202009/_vector-religious-symbols-set1-preview-by-dragonart.png
And then look at this page
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mandala
Then you will see this.
My opinion about this is that this is because that all religions are interpretations of the same thing.And why does the symbol form a singularity ,that is because the deeper spiritual experience shows us that everything is a singularity and that what we call god is ourselfes,everyone else and everywhere.What symbol could be better for that then one symbol that forms a singularity?
Do you have anything to say about this?
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I don't understand at all how you see a sameness between all of those symbols. What are you talking about?
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Of course not all so called "religious symbols" have the mandala concept,which basically is what i am speaking about.I am talking about that many religious symbols create a mandala like structure which forms a singel structure,a non divided symbol.
My point here was also that i believe that this symbol represent the core in what the spiritual and religious "understanding" is telling us,which is that we all are an extension of a single thing,often called god.That we are it,that we not are separated from it.That we all are one thing.
Of course all religions are not telling this,there are all kinds of religious and spiritual directions and belief systems.Often people do lots of bad stuff in the name of religion.Then religion gets blamed even though in reality it was the persons who was bad that did alot of stuff under the "banner of religion",not the religon itself.
Also it can be the interpretations of what "god" is and wants etc that can be bad.Then it is that particular people or group who are responsible,not the core of religion.Which basically is about what is beyond us,who is the "spider of the web" ,from which source do i come,what is the root of all life,who am i that notices me,what holds everything togheter and what is the seed from which everything comes from,what is life,what controls life and what is the source of life,what is the source of everything.
Now,if you take a look at these pictures you might see what i was talking about.
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Fometrius
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Posted : Oct 14, 2010 09:10
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On 2010-09-01 09:41, goabrainbow wrote:
Is this question in reference to Mandalas?
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Yes
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