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TimeTraveller
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Posted : Aug 26, 2011 02:40
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no test it  the most extreme example is run the same sample through let's say fl and than go to reason and bounce the same sample and listen to the result.
For others daw's use wavelab analysis or ask a coder or someone qualified about electro technics or digital technics.
Seriously analysis will show differences always.
But that's not the point why I like to use many sequencers.However, best is believe what just your ears tell you, you know like always There is nothing wrong, there is a wrong theory about it that all daws sound the same.
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Vermeee
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Posted : Aug 26, 2011 02:58
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On 2011-08-26 02:32, orange wrote:
if the same sample sounds different with no processing in any daw whatsoever... than something else is wrong.
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i use ableton live nowadays...but i cant ignore the fact the this happens to ableton output..
the solution people have been makin was to write the track in ableton live and when the track s ready , bounce the tracks to audio and do the mix in another daw....
and compare both mix to get ur conclusions...
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orange
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Posted : Aug 26, 2011 13:57
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well... this debate goes along way.. all in all the same sample loaded in most of the daws (fl, cubase, logic, pt ) after export and checked it cancels in all of the daws exept from ableton and reason... ableton usually adds some kind of warping and changes the fundamentals of it and reason sounds just shit.
the rest with the same sample sound the same.
in busy mixes yes different summing engines produce different resolts.. but again its nearly impossible in different daws to achieve the exact same mixdown since the process of the sound differs due to different fx/eq/volume settings.
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TimeTraveller
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Posted : Aug 26, 2011 14:54
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to be honest even if you export in the same daw a few times you will get different results. Again I have not in memory why this is so - not enough to explain ,and this is not my interest nor my task to know this exactly, although along my studies I came across serious specialists that explained this prettey detailed.
..I can only say it is very simple for them, and it is quite logical that each sequencer sounds different.
The audio interface engines are differently coded and there is the main point why.
To my ears the differences were and stil are very big, I had this perceivement long before I heared the explanaiton from the lecture .I asked this there, because I just wasn't shore because of long discussions on this forum on this matter.
I can't say how big the results really are, I'll make an own analysis of this someday than I'll now more.
I than won't know exactly why but exactly how big they are.
To my ears the differences are huge. I fully believe my lecturer's words & there are qualifed persons that've made already analysis' & skilled work about lots of matters (accoustic results / analysis) between logic ,cubase and protools and the differences are always very big.
However I'm out of this discussion.This is 'my' opinion. I post my second question in here someday.Cheers .. ps your music sounds very cool & skilled.
Peace
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PoM
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Posted : Aug 26, 2011 14:59
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samplitude is suposed to have the best summing (have no idea if different daw sound different.. to me they do but as i havent make any real test it could be placebo)
will try it for mstering when the new one come out on mac hopefully soon ! |
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PoM
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Posted : Aug 26, 2011 19:36
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harrison mixbus and metric halo mio mixer have summing closer to analog cause of their built in saturation.
i need to try them more when i will work on a tune but so far i think both sound good used like analog summing box.(i m curious about the metric halo ,i know some producers who ditched their analog summing cause of the mio,it seems very clean but add a little something with the caractere, it sound like runing signal into a preamp, but it s very respectfull of the frequency and transients,it just add a few harmonics i think but in a defined and subbtle way like in a good preamp you don t push) |
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orange
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Posted : Aug 27, 2011 00:09
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if we talk about outboard gear... then yes difference in sound really occurs due to difference in the electronics and board structure i/o and d/a, a/d converters quality of the parts used and pretty much everything in the chain.
daw sound differences if existent are minor to none and not so big in the first place to deserve any real debate when comes to quality of the finished product.
it comes to the user and how he works and perceives sound during the mixing stage, room acoustics, soundcard and monitors.
a daw cant make you sound good or bad its you that does it.
@time traveller.. thnx its no fight here whatsoever its a friendly conversation that im right... 
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TimeTraveller
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Posted : Aug 27, 2011 00:33
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Freeflow
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Posted : Aug 27, 2011 01:02
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"a daw cant make you sound good or bad its you that does it. "
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PoM
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Posted : Aug 27, 2011 02:56
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yeah you and the room you are traped in ...in a good room everything is so much easier it s scary. |
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aciduss
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Posted : Aug 27, 2011 03:59
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I get much better and faster results when using Logic. I don't know if it's placebo but i find it easier to find a pleasant result with logic stuff, fx are very nice to the ear, synths have bite and mixdown is, idk, i'd say clean and round.
I'm much more faster and experienced in Cubase so it is my main daw, but everytime I use Logic i just go like "wow this sounds so good, its amazing"
And it happens the other way when in Ableton.
Most of ableton's fx even when High Quality is turned on sound cheap digital to me. Some free plugins sound much better.
It is logical to me that every daw was coded in a different way so they process everything in different ways, there are good algorithms and better ones. |
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panike
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Posted : Aug 27, 2011 04:19
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aciduss
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Posted : Aug 27, 2011 18:06
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I have one, but no tracks uploaded. I'm still a little shy about my stuff, working on it, I want it to worth it you know.  |
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panike
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Posted : Aug 27, 2011 22:38
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On 2011-08-27 18:06, aciduss wrote:
I have one, but no tracks uploaded. I'm still a little shy about my stuff, working on it, I want it to worth it you know.
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man... dont be shy... I know that you are experienced in music production... show us your stuff
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willsanquil
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Posted : Aug 28, 2011 06:03
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I'd love to see all these people saying that ableton vs logic vs cubase sounds different do a double blind test on the matter. Pretty confident you would not be able to tell. In fact, I think this has been discussed at length in various different posts and the conclusion has inevitably been that the audio engines are the same. I could be misremembering though.
Now, if we're talking native instruments and effects, of course they're different...
If you want to make an apple pie from scratch...you must first invent the universe
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