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spidergrl
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Posted : Nov 28, 2006 15:38
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http://thesecret.tv/home.html
has anybody seen this movie
the link is for the website but the site is nothing compared you gotta watch this guys.
it might change your life.
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Eth-Lad
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Posted : Nov 29, 2006 03:43
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hmmmm - according to the comments on IMDb - another "think positive, blame the victims"-self-help-thingy.
there's still way too much hatred in this world for a universal-consciousness approach.
you just cant blame the victims of horrible deeds committed by malicious/ignorant others to "not-have-focussed-enough-on-something-positive".
thats not only dumb; its plain rude.
... and.. who causes tsunamis and earth-quakes?
flushin' toilets and stomping feet on the other side of the globe?
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Meta
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Posted : Nov 29, 2006 05:14
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full_on
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Posted : Nov 29, 2006 07:07
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Yes, What the Bleep really distorts the way science is, the main problem is that they use specific words out of their specific scientific context, for example the words ressonance or quantum physics terms, when everyone knows quantum physics is not valid outside nanoscopic scales.
The Secret seems to be another issue, I have to see it before giving my opinion (aka start bashing it) 
The video is not free, but you can find some parts on U-Tube and till some days ago there was a full lenght version on the Google Videos, but it was deleted before I could see it.
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sure_smoke_alot
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Posted : Nov 29, 2006 08:07
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On 2006-11-29 07:07, full_on wrote:
Yes, What the Bleep really distorts the way science is, the main problem is that they use specific words out of their specific scientific context, for example the words ressonance or quantum physics terms, when everyone knows quantum physics is not valid outside nanoscopic scales.
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if i m not mistaken we are jus a gathering of the nano world let's jus say I am made up of billons of cell complementing each other n if u think this is jus philosphical then,
who are u???
so saying that quantum physics has nothing to do outside the nano world is plainly stating that i 'm foolish' (no pun intended) 
i think u sud read bout the 'string theroy'
it in a way simplifies quantum physics and ends the long standing conflict of 'quantum physics' and 'classical pyhsics'
1 more intresting thing if u have ever read bout eastern mysticism u'll find them talking of things which can only be derived using quantum physics (jus another food for thought)
@full on
jus see the movie once more maybe it'll hit u this time (coz everytime i see it, it hits me even harder)
peace
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spidergrl
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Posted : Nov 29, 2006 08:28
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i guess i just look for the good in things 
i know some things are out of our control, but i like to think i have some control over my destiny.
the thing i loved about this was it makes you focus on things to be grateful for something we all need to do.
It made me smile and think a little differently about my situation and made me believe i can do what i want to do and wont be stuck in an unhappy situation forever, and that already makes me happier.
i wont buy the movie off the site but i did watch it on a friends p.c.
there are a few links on youtube but not the full film.
i know it is a money making scheme (the website).
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Meta
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Posted : Nov 29, 2006 13:04
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sure_smoke_alot
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Posted : Nov 29, 2006 16:22
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@full on
by saying wacth the movie again i mean 'what the bleep do we know'
i have not seen 'the secret' yet maybe my next buy from amazon
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full_on
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Posted : May 1, 2007 09:36
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Just watched the Secret and don't like it, IMO it's worse then What the Bleep. Of course there's a positive message, but sounds a lot like self help.
sure_smoke_alot, I think I might know something about the string theories, at least I'm finishing my PhD in physics. But please understand that, unlike in both these films, I'm not using this fact to make my arguments look more valid.
I sort of watched the "What the Bleep do we know" a lot, because I'm always dealing with samples taken from this movie.
I think we are the nanomachines, but some physical properties exist only under specific circunstances, so that using words used to describe these phenomena in another context sort of become meaningless. It's like saying "this atom has a lot of faith".
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so saying that quantum physics has nothing to do outside the nano world is plainly stating that i 'm foolish' (no pun intended)
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Our physical reality is a consequence of the events and properties we analyse using quantum physics.
The same way that for every behavior there are some neurologic mechanisms, so it is important to study the neurons and the brain to understand the behaviors, for every event in the macroscopic world there's also a root in the angstrom scale.
These guys are trying to use a beautiful talk disguised with these scientific words and titles that are not easy to understand (if making any sense at all) to try to convince people they're right. At least that's my opinion.
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jabba
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Posted : May 1, 2007 10:36
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@ fullon tell me where are they wrong when you say fullon said "These guys are trying to use a beautiful talk disguised with these scientific words and titles that are not easy to understand (if making any sense at all) to try to convince people they're right. At least that's my opinion.
i dont think but most is true .... they are not disguising anything ..... no pHd though but am a self student of theoratical physics .... and i noticed about what they said about atom being at two places at one time which is correct .............. the theory of parallel world is correct and you would know it when you experience strange phenomenons happening in the world around us .............. telepathy ........ remote viewing etc. all unexplainable has just been termed quantum but is not a farce but a general theory that cannot be yet put into formulae but is getting better and closer to deductionism each day ............ and personally i think what the bleep is a good movie and nicely made .......... i would like to know where did the movie lie at what parts maybe i can go and rethink ...................... peace n light mi bro
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full_on
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Posted : May 1, 2007 11:30
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First of all, what "the theory of parallel world" was supposed to be? Also I don't believe in telepathy or remote viewing.
Well, "The Secret" has more evident lies, for example a thought can't make things happen in the real world.
On the "What the Bleep do we know" I remember they say the water crystals (or snow crystals, can't remember) were influentied by the "vibe" of some people (or something like this). And they just took ugly crystal pics and associated them with bad things, and beautiful crystal pictures and associate them with nice things. But hey, when taking pics of water crystals even with an small crystal sample it is possible to take many pictures (really a lot) so why they choose these pictures? To suggest feelings influentiate the way the water crystalize? So why I never read anything about this on any major scientific article? I'm sure the person who proove this fenomena to be true will win the Nobel prize (which means 1 million dolars and a lot of respect)...
So they manipulate the fact the the water can arrange itself in probably an infinite amount of different crystals by making it looks like good feelings create beautiful crystals and bad feelings create ugly crystals... I think Nature don't even knows concepts like good, ugly, beautiful or evil... So they associated ugly with bad and good with beautiful because they're humans, and they made the association most humans do...
Check this (I don't know it it is true, but it is sort of what I think):
http://www.popsci.com/popsci/science/463c0b4511b84010vgnvcm1000004eecbccdrcrd.html
One of the few legitimate academics in the film, David Albert, a philosopher of physics at Columbia University, is outraged at the final product. He says that he spent four hours patiently explaining to the filmmakers why quantum mechanics has nothing to do with consciousness or spirituality, only to see his statements edited and cut to the point where it appears as though he and the spirit warrior are speaking with one voice. “I was taken,” Albert admits. “I was really gullible, but I learned my lesson.” Yet the real shame with this film is that it plays on people’s fascination with science while distorting and misrepresenting that science. Before its national release, the film packed theaters up and down the West Coast. Instead of stoking the curiosity of those moviegoers, What the #$*! numbed them with mindless quantum drivel.
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jabba
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Posted : May 1, 2007 13:57
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@fullon first of all we should learn to accept , to be able to reject Now telepathy is real since it is a common phenomenon .... happened with me , happened with my friends etc. and bla bla bla .
REmote viewing is another mind related phenomenon which was and still is being practised in the armies , not much now since sattallites do the work but during WW2 a lot of it was happening accurately so stats of remote viewers say it was happening and thus is true .
about the crystal water etc. .............i have known about that since long ............ long before watching the movie wha tha bleep and this phenomenon is there because the unity concept or the singularity concept state that changes at one place will affect the other place or things ......... e.g. cutting of rain forest in one part of the world makes climatic changes at the other end of earth (macroscopiclly) and so microscopically prayers and vibrations rearrange the water ............and it has been a tradition in hinduism , christianity , buddhism to bless with water (prayered water) .
There is now a days extensive research being carried out for alternate studies ........... i have and i am sure many out here on the forum even must have experienced the magic of faith healing ............yes sure amputation cannot be cured but other chronic disease which require inner streangth can only be cured with faith .
It is a different science and what we have learned is learnt only in the last few hundered years but mankind has existed in a better way since ages .............. how do you think the civilizations got by ........ was it because of things science could explain or because things were just happening is my point here ................i feel we have not explored enough and there is more than the physical reality ........................... and science will catch up to it maybe the day a credible physicist will explain with formulae is the day many will belive but sometimes you've got to believe it first to see it .......... peace mi bro
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Eth-Lad
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Posted : May 1, 2007 16:30
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its not that much that i feel like i should arbitrate a dispute - mainly because you, full_on and jabba, are (still hehe) polite and even friendly - so cheers.
still, i feel like replying because it was sweet to get back here and find this discussion continuing in this beautiful way. thank you both.
i dont really know where to start.
i understand that one could tend to believe or even "have faith" in this pseudo-science-shamanism. its healthy to have faith and to have a positive attitude. its mostly a biological and therefore psychological and therefore again biological response as faith can calm and comfort, so it eliminates stress, even boosts spiritual healing iow our bodies self-healing mechanisms.
mechanisms that should be functional and working all the time without even the need for a consciousness to have faith in the first place - imho - as the "problem" is that we have a consciousness that actually can envision/think about/plan/execute such a variety of deeds that can (at least for its sum of outcomes) be listed under "bad" or something even worse, no matter if the actions range is environ- or mentally (to others or self).
i might be digressing when i explain my theory about "bad consciousnesses" and therefore "self-afflicted diseases" ... and it could be rude to some who didnt have much luck.
i agree with full_on and really liked the stream of arguementation - so cheers - especially on lines like "i think Nature don't even knows concepts like good, ugly, beautiful or evil".
nature is all about function.
so, jabba, if it works for you and it helps you to be a better person (what - from my point of view - doesnt seem necessary; cheers), go for it!
i experienced a few events that "could be explained with telepathy" ... or a number of socio- and neurological processes. (haha maybe telepathy IS a neuro-sociological process)
most of these event i experienced can be explained more or less with science, except for one. someone i hold very dear, on the other side of the globe, knowing that i was asleep at this moment, shouted my name in an attempt to get me in front of my computer.
and i woke up. i had slept for 2 or 3 hours, probably less. but i woke up in that very minute. i didnt "hear" her - at least i dont recall that, but i felt (in lack of a better term) her and when i opened my eyes the first and only thing i said was her name. and i just knew i would boot my puter and get online because she was waiting and "nothing is wrong", so i wasnt worried or anything like that. it was somehow spooky but... in a nice way. she was so convinced that she could do this that she wasnt even surprised that this worked.
okay, now i really digress hehe
David Albert is another example for scientists who get screwed from film-makers. ... reminds me of the simpsons ep with this god-frey jones fella or whatshisname .. when homers on tv and the clock in the background jumps back and forth. not that homer simpsons would be a scientist, .. but... i just cant think of another example at the moment.
have a great day!
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full_on
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Posted : May 1, 2007 22:53
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Nice posts from both of you.
jabba, as I already stated, I don't believe in telepathy or remote viewing. I really don't think it exists. IMO there's no such thing in this universe. However I respect your opinions, faith and belief. The same way that mother is catholic and I'm not but I still respect her faith and attitude towards life. After all maybe I'm wrong.
I think that resorting to such "impossible" or "never before showed" complicated mechanisms to explain things that happen in our lives, or in our perception field, is not the proper way to proceed.
Let me tell you, for illustration, a true story that happened with me. My father has a farm. One day, many years ago, I was at the farm with my mother and my father was at Brasília (Brazil's capital, 260 Km away, where we have our apartment). My mother wake up and told me she had a bad dream. I asked her what was it that she has dreamed. She said she dreamed a thief got into our apartment and stole a lot of things, including some of her jewels. We don't have telephone or Cell phones at the farm. In this same day, my father arrived from the city and told us our apartment was robbed, and the thief took all her jewels.
Someone may say she "read my father’s mind from distance" or "had a revelation" or "got a message from an angel" or "remote viewing" or any other explanation.
I think it's simpler to think it was a coincidence, or that she was already suspecting something wrong was going on (which she admited she was).
But back to the topic, I have no problem with anyone believing anything they want. The problem is when they start to use science to try to make these beliefs look more plausible, particullarly when there's no scientific work to back up their arguments.
If telepathy exists and I can't detect it, and if I can't notice any of it with my senses, and it does not interfere with my life, it is like if it doesn't exits.
So this is not about faith or beliefs, but about the movies using scientific language to try to make people believe them. Why the movie place the persons' title like "PhD" or "philosopher" near them, except to give what they're saying more credibility? People should think about what they heard and reach their own conclusions, and not believe it because who said it was a "famous DJ" or "PhD" or "the Pope".
Read about snow crystals here:
http://www.its.caltech.edu/~atomic/snowcrystals/faqs/faqs.htm
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Posted : May 2, 2007 05:10
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Hardcore American Dream propaganda, old wolf in sheep's clothing, sometimes boring arguments dressed on simple "whatever you pay attention to you get conscious of" cause-effect Law. The main positive thing in this film is that it can fill a gap on the abyss many people live in due to the ongoing quantity and speed of information added to laziness, all in my opinion, of course.
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