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The role of a DJ or Live Act at a party
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kameleonpangea36
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Posted : Jun 22, 2010 23:29
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On 2010-06-22 18:07, hardkornate wrote:
Sure, you can have a total fucking meltdown a few times during the set, but once you see theres only one shirtless dude left running in a circle, that means you played one too many burners in a row. The trick is to watch the crowd and see if they still WANT more. If they look like they are about to bail on you, stop it, play a sample, slow it down a notch or even drop a mash up or some turntablism to get them back into it. Shit, a single bass drum/snare by itself will usually get them back on board. Once you have them again, start speeding up the tracks at the breaks and keep pushing the limit until you see you need to back off again(of course, you dont have to back off as far this time) - rinse, repeat, and I guarantee you that you will have built a solid dancefloor by the end of the set. Ignore the crowd, and you will have two shirtless dudes moshing, a wiccan doing spells, and six fat guys nodding their heads with their arms crossed(and maybe if you are lucky, one or two hotties speakerfucking.)
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Thats pretty good Nate.
I think its a matter of balance, keeping it interesting and fresh yet comprehendable to the mass that your playing for. DO your homework.
I think one of the big issues here is the BPM. I have seen many 160 + BPM sets empty dancefloors, but if that same set was played at 145 - 148 would have the place going nuts.
There seems to be 2 different philosophies here and when they mix together have some friction.
oh ya,
The argument that 1 needs to go through "hell" on the dancefloor in order to be enlightened is a joke though.
 
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MR VOMERS
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Posted : Jun 23, 2010 00:00
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taking people through turtle portals is where it's at.
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Axis Mundi
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Posted : Jun 23, 2010 00:15
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On 2010-06-22 23:19, Androcell wrote:
The role of a DJ or Live Act at a party is to ensure that the promoter doesn't walk away with too much money or in many cases none at all. 
I love getting booked show after show with my one-trick pony. I call it an easy summer. 
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Totally. I guess what I meant by "one trick pony" is that it takes a lot longer for a live than a DJ to come up with a.) a completely new, unique live set, or b.) enough material to have the versatility comparable to a DJ. Nowadays, a DJ can carry several days worth of music of any number of genres or styles in a CD book or USB stick, whereas the live is (theoretically) writing all their own material, which of course is a lot more time consuming and intensive.
Wasn't trying to be derogatory with the "one trick pony" reference. 
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Chemistry
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Posted : Jun 30, 2010 06:36
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On 2010-06-23 00:00, cinderVOMIT wrote:
taking people through turtle portals is where it's at.
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well said.....I have a lot to say on this but don't have the time right now. most points were made but I will say this, it's First the promoters job to create good flow (booking a party is like playing a dj set)
Second performers job do deliver that flow
and third the audience to know what they're getting into and be down for the ride.
@Omega........Havoc N Deed live dubstep and that's because one of them plays a drum kit on a table top but they don't even have many of their own songs. they play others and remixes they did of others and no one seems to have a problem with them either. |
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MR VOMERS
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Posted : Jun 30, 2010 18:35
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well i'll just be up front and say that worldbridge this year is going to be the cream of the cream for the night enthusiasts.
the flow is important even in an all Neuro/Night time festival. there's so many different aspects to our music that you can indeed have a flow with all the crazies! come out and see for yourself!
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a'damn
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Posted : Jun 30, 2010 21:48
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(booking a party is like playing a dj set)
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Yes
Some people forget that.
Booking an event is very much like programming a set for multiple days. Knowing what general trend and DJ would work best at which times and how to achieve the desired results.
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Ascension
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Posted : Jun 30, 2010 23:05
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On 2010-06-30 21:48, a'damn wrote:
(booking a party is like playing a dj set)
^^^^^^
Yes
Some people forget that.
Booking an event is very much like programming a set for multiple days. Knowing what general trend and DJ would work best at which times and how to achieve the desired results.
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Scott and I roll D&D dice in a dark basement while dressed as wizards to decide our lineups. Sometimes the Ouija board gets consulted.
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MR VOMERS
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Posted : Jun 30, 2010 23:50
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LOL makes so much sense now Kevin. WARNING: The Reality Master General has determined that Mr. Vomit may significantly alter your reality. Usage of the knowledge provided by Mr. Vomit may be perceived as dangerous and subversive by those in authority. |
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Posted : Jul 1, 2010 02:49
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On 2010-06-30 21:48, a'damn wrote:
(booking a party is like playing a dj set)
^^^^^^
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It's true - I also believe that DJs/producers shouldn't always organize lineups. Helps to have some dancers giving input on who'd they like to see playing when, and not just in review threads.
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Axis Mundi
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Posted : Jul 1, 2010 04:13
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90% of the time, ego rules.
On that note, please don't be that asshole DJ that begs the guy playing after you (especially a live act who's traveled a long way and spent a long time setting up his gear so he could be ready to go on time) to play just one more track, and it ends up being a 10 minute long track which totally cuts into the next person's time, or even worse, that asshole DJ who doesn't even ask and just does it, for that matter.
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the dog of tears
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Posted : Jul 1, 2010 05:22
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almost every time i've ever played i get "wait just 3 more tracks" treatment. sometimes pretty difficult to mop a big ego off the dex.
line ups are pretty much impossible to make, and asking the dancers for their input only adds more confusion. i ALWAYS envision a story when i make a line up for a party, and spend a long time thinking of who will play when. but then, a lot of artists and dj's i like to book don't ever want to play certain time-slots, and sometimes i feel like i don't get to use them to their full potential, for "that" party...
other times you are taking a risk by giving some key time-slot to a less well-known or even newbie dj... ive had it go both ways, but man there's nothing worse then seeing one early-nite DJ set ruin the next three sets of music! rare, but it happens. and by key time slot i dont necessarily mean 3-9am, but often times the earlier slots. man is it difficult to find a GOOD dj who can put aside enough of their ego to play the opening slot of a party.
in general basically every trance DJ wishes they were playing at sunrise, for the most part, and DJ's could go a long way by giving up this attitude and feeling good about the idea of being one small, integral part of a greater whole.
but yeah... you can please some people some times, but you cant please everyone all the time. |
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Maine Coon
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Posted : Jul 1, 2010 05:54
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Can you bribe a DJ into an opening slot by giving him extra time or extra freedom in style choices? Or bundle opening and sunrise slots? |
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Shiranui
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Posted : Jul 1, 2010 06:32
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if I'm booked for a 1 hour set I always build a set that is flexible so that it could be either 45 minutes or 1:30 depending on what is needed, and I always keep watching the time to make sure I'm fitting
If I wanna play one more track I ASK if one more track is okay
Honestly I think parties would work so much better if there were just 2-3 DJs who worked together all night long to build a flow.
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Shiranui
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Posted : Jul 1, 2010 06:34
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Honestly I think parties would work so much better if there were just 2-3 DJs who worked together all night long to build a flow.
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Omega
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Posted : Jul 1, 2010 12:34
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On 2010-07-01 05:22, the dog of tears wrote:
man is it difficult to find a GOOD dj who can put aside enough of their ego to play the opening slot of a party.
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this brings up a whole other issue that I've thought about a lot: the possibility that the desire to play a certain timeslot will shape the style that a DJ or producer focuses on... I wonder if this accounts for the plethora of (IMO) lousy and mediocre dark and full-on acts/DJs... maybe rather than just focusing on the sound they love and pursuing their own creative path, instead some folks are just writing/spinning the sort of thing that will let them play that "peak night set" or that "peak morning set" that they've always wanted to play. I guess this is one of the reasons that I've always had some issues with the standard expectations for the flow at a psytrance event. It seems to me like it could help propagate lots of copycat, genre-following shit.
I'd much rather attend a party where the lineup is created with a unique and interesting vision for the sort of journey/story the lineup will create, as opposed to the standard, and (IMO) kinda boring/trite dark/scary at night, bouncy/happy during the morning. Plus I think this approach, sans all the rules and expectations, would create an environment that would encourage artists to follow their heart/muse/whatever, rather than creating a sort of "follow this formula if you want to play this timeslot" mentality.
...of course this would require a consistently remarkable level of open mindedness on the part of the crowds... maybe instead, we should scrap this whole idea, fire all the DJs, Live Acts, and promoters, and instead just have big ipod+headphones dance parties 
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