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the responsibility of the music maker and dj
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phobium
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Posted : Oct 29, 2006 15:42
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On 2006-10-25 01:16, ocelot wrote:
the person who plays the music at a psychedelic trance party has a unique responsibility-
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trust between the person who may take a strong psychotropic substance to experience the trance dance fully-( the initiation etc... many of us have been there and know what it is like.) and the person playing music.
if i hear a "time to die" sample and i am the person who is high on lsd for the first time- or having a bad trip etc... i might flip out and genuinely try to hurt someone or myself.
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It is not the DJs or the artists responsibility to take care of people who have taken drugs and can't handle it. People who take drugs should be confident that they can handle the consequences and take the responsibility themselfs - not blame potential negative effects on others.
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Kemic-Al
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Posted : Oct 29, 2006 17:24
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On 2006-10-29 15:42, phobium wrote:
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On 2006-10-25 01:16, ocelot wrote:
the person who plays the music at a psychedelic trance party has a unique responsibility-
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trust between the person who may take a strong psychotropic substance to experience the trance dance fully-( the initiation etc... many of us have been there and know what it is like.) and the person playing music.
if i hear a "time to die" sample and i am the person who is high on lsd for the first time- or having a bad trip etc... i might flip out and genuinely try to hurt someone or myself.
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It is not the DJs or the artists responsibility to take care of people who have taken drugs and can't handle it. People who take drugs should be confident that they can handle the consequences and take the responsibility themselfs - not blame potential negative effects on others.
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Amen !
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ocelot
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Posted : Oct 29, 2006 21:28
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hi people- my first update after reading your responses.
bear in mind we ARE discussing psychedelic trance and not raves, or concerts, or music in general, or artistic freedom but the thread of PSYCHEDELIC trance that connects us. remove this thread and there is nothing to base a discussion upon.
a few things i keep hearing from this discussion prompt some questions:
1) there is no consensus on PSYCHEDELIC drugs-
are they a factor to account for at all in preparing music for a psychedelic trance party?
while this music can be enjoyed in any mental state you so choose- it has associations, for better or for worse, with psychedelic tripping.- not stimulants, not alcohol, not opiates- but psychedelics. hence the name. what factors does this introduce to a group social scene and what is the approach to this an artist OR a dj takes?
2) i seem to hear that "dark" musical styles- (is this anything that doesn't copy full-on styles but is high powered? or is this meaning music for night or?)
are associated with a "bad trip" by some-
whereas my personal associations of "bad trip" are sample based largely- (where WORDs interrupt an otherwise sublime world.)
if one DID care about giving a Good versus Bad trip with the musical program- what factors influence this in your opinion?
also- what effect (if any ) has DANCING at psychedelic trance parties had upon your views on this topic in general?
i wonder if substantial time spent dancing to the music prior to learning how to make it or prior to playing it as a dj has any effect upon views of the responsibility of the artist and/or dj? |
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mudpeople
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Posted : Oct 29, 2006 23:51
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If I was to make a song to give a good trip, and I wanted to use samples, they woouldnt be happy-fun-whee we're all happy stuff, more like stuff to get the unused parts of thebrain working a bit harder. For example, things like a guru speaking of how to realize oneself, or Sanskrit chanting, a child singing a lullaby, things that are strange but dont bring about any discomforting thoughts or feelings.
But, its up to whos making the music, what's scary to me may be uplifting to others. Personally I dont mind seeing or hearing scary things while tripping. Im into some pretty wierd stuff though.
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Soul Kontakt
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Posted : Oct 30, 2006 02:09
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I say when i am in the dancefloor i love to dance to music, and for us music is melody, synphony, harmony, beuatiful and dark at the same time! You know serious stuff, professionally made and intelligent. Anyway music that has an expression to tell you something, we prefer music to be full of new ideas so that when you are in a dancefloor it makes you burst into dancing and maybe some crying too in a really good moment, that is why i still say that the dj or live act playing is responsible for giving the people something really good, i mean if he is not responsible than who is?
I am not blaming any dj for playing crappy music or any kind that maybe we don't enjoy but all i am saying is that i wish that when i go for a trance experience i wish the person who played to give me that! But it's very complicated subject because so many different states of mind, some like dark some like morning some like both, it's endless....
End of the statement is that if the person who play the music plays a really good energy music and he is fully connected with the people then there is a certain energy, like a special one that is only present in these moments of love, unity and dance...
Boom :)
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Pythagoraz
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Posted : Oct 30, 2006 13:13
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On 2006-10-29 15:42, phobium wrote:
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On 2006-10-25 01:16, ocelot wrote:
the person who plays the music at a psychedelic trance party has a unique responsibility-
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trust between the person who may take a strong psychotropic substance to experience the trance dance fully-( the initiation etc... many of us have been there and know what it is like.) and the person playing music.
if i hear a "time to die" sample and i am the person who is high on lsd for the first time- or having a bad trip etc... i might flip out and genuinely try to hurt someone or myself.
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It is not the DJs or the artists responsibility to take care of people who have taken drugs and can't handle it. People who take drugs should be confident that they can handle the consequences and take the responsibility themselfs - not blame potential negative effects on others.
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Amen!
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Posted : Oct 30, 2006 15:17
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The state of mind has to be attained : for those who have , are on the higher plane and can easily discard the "paranoid" sensations,emotions etc : for those who are still in the development stage, or the early beginings those people will have to go through the different phases of experiences: bad and godd trrips: and only then will they understand that:there is nothing to fear:
basically yea the artist has to be carefull with how he choses to indulge the minds of the ppl: but the ppl have to go through the "doors" and come out on the other side , only then they can be free
this "dark" psy is very spiritual ask goa gill : baba knows this is the path to be taken , so have the many artist/labels : but "dark" does not mean paranoia or whatever , but that only when you stand in the darkness,you will see the light
bomb om
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Venom29
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Posted : Oct 30, 2006 16:50
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[Can someone point me to the exact songs which contain the samples "I am the anti christ" and "Time to die"? I just want to make sure this thread isn't a load of FUD.
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Track nº.1 on the Neuromotor album "Bloody Reality" - Bush the anti-christ |
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vegetal
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Posted : Oct 30, 2006 18:20
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On 2006-10-30 02:09, Soul Kontakt wrote:
We prefer music to be full of new ideas
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Who are "We", you and your girlfriend? You and your dog?
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On 2006-10-30 02:09, Soul Kontakt wrote:
that is why i still say that the dj or live act playing is responsible for giving the people something really good, i mean if he is not responsible than who is? |
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I got a really good idea here, you remember when you were a kid and you went to birthday parties. If you didn´t have a good time, who did you blame........ THE BIRTHDAY CHILD.
If the cake tasted like shit who did you blame! the birthday child!
If his mother was a total bitch, who did you blame! the birthday child!
If you didn´t get a bag of candy and a balloon in your hand when you left the party, who did you blame! The birthday child!
You see what im saying here.
And i do think there is more responsibility on the people attending the party, that they keep a good attitude towards each other, if someone bumps into another, they should treat each other with respect since that kind of things happen on a crowded dance floor, Not get pissed of it and start a fight.
Not doing copious amounts of blow and act like they own the world like your no.1 Dictator
I know pretty much what kind of music i can expect when i look at a line up. Even though i know that the music will not interest me a bit but in the same run i can still say it was a great party because the the atmosphere was awesome and i met alot of nice people. Demand recognition for the Armenian genocide 1915
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ocelot
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Posted : Oct 30, 2006 19:07
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someone mentioned a track of mine "turn it up" as a potential bad trip-
i dont feel that a wacky intro (making fun of generic full-on... intros are optional to play anyway)
and a strong track are a bad trip. the sample says "turn it up"... this is my opinion anyway.
having allegedly take lsd thousands of times-
i think that powerful music makes my jitters feel yoked or harnessed to something substantial as i "come up"
to have mellow music at this time (midnight or so- when many people might allegedly drop) might be traumatic actually! (imo)
power is something you can dance to.
what i object to- and what i started this thread about is an attitude im starting to hear of and see more and more that i NEVER saw before in my life until these last few years: an attitude that disrespects the trance experience in general and wants to make an impact and doesnt care about collateral damage as they say...
i dont think i should name any examples as im already probably assigned a personal hitman or two in this trance scene...
i do think it comes down to mature intentions-
a trusted friend who pushes some of your boundaries- vs - some assailant who somehow got on the decks...
i've seen it in full-on as well as dark psy.
usually its the result of a producer or dj who hasn't been dancing long enough and thus doesnt understand the psychedelic trance experience and what differentiates it from rave music in general...
so how do these ideas strike you?
elitist?
nonsense?
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for that matter- Vegetal brought up a good point-
what are the responsibilities of people to each other in this scene?
what makes it a scene vs just a marketing demographic?
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dennis without the label
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Posted : Oct 30, 2006 19:19
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On 2006-10-30 19:07, ocelot wrote:
intros are optional to play anyway
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Like everything else... |
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Pt.
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Posted : Oct 30, 2006 19:22
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sorry for spamming, but ...
...:::I'm hoping and believing that a DJ who knows psychedelics and it's world of wonders will give me a better ride then a straight DJ.
The same goes for a music producer. Why is this simple and honest thought wrong? Because of moral, taboo or fear?:::...
Ocelot, nice words, and it seems that I have been tempted to buy your album.
Good thing you made this thread, eh. 
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Dogon
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Posted : Oct 30, 2006 19:37
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On 2006-10-30 19:22, psytones wrote:
Why is this simple and honest thought wrong? Because of moral, taboo or fear?:::...
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Bang!
@psytones: Man love this line..... u should write a book or something dude... 
I think if you wrote this earlier this topic would not have drawn until here or maybe more.....
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vegetal
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Posted : Oct 30, 2006 19:42
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| :::I'm hoping and believing that a DJ who knows psychedelics and it's world of wonders will give me a better ride then a straight DJ.
The same goes for a music producer. Why is this simple and honest thought wrong? Because of moral, taboo or fear?:::... |
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Id say its naive to claim that just because of the fact that the dj/artist knows psychedelics, he gives you a better trip.
I´d say it all comes down to if you and the dj shares the same taste in music. If you do then you both embark on a very nice journey togheter in the sun dawn like two pixie fairys on Absinth.
Just because Skazi and Vegetal have tried psychadelic drugs it doesn´t make us buddys, you see what im trying to say here
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Why is this simple and honest thought wrong? Because of moral, taboo or fear?:::... |
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I can´t recognize that someone has ever claimed it to be "wrong"
But "IMHO" lol , i say your pointing your finger at the wrong suspect.
You can have the greatest music you could ever wish for , fuck, why not let psykowsky play a 24 hour set just for you at the party , now it would make you feel pretty good psytones, but at the same time you are surrounded by anabolic coke sniffers who start fights all around you.
Not a good trip right even thou the music is good. Demand recognition for the Armenian genocide 1915
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Dogon
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Posted : Oct 30, 2006 19:45
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On 2006-10-30 19:42, vegetal wrote:
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| :::I'm hoping and believing that a DJ who knows psychedelics and it's world of wonders will give me a better ride then a straight DJ.
The same goes for a music producer. Why is this simple and honest thought wrong? Because of moral, taboo or fear?:::... |
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Id say its retarded to claim that if the dj/artist knows psychedelics, he gives you a good trip.
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i think psytones mentioned "better" not "good" as mentioned by you.....
It's comparitive you seee..... 
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