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the responsibility of the music maker and dj
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TrippyJohnny
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Posted : Oct 26, 2006 22:41
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On 2006-10-26 21:36, Soul Kontakt wrote:
How can you compare music of aphex twin and venetian blinds to psychedlic music?? There is no comparison they are completely different culture's and feelings! we are talking about psychedelic here or am i in the wrong forum? And yes here I am compaing the trip factor 
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It's quite obvious that you probably never heard Aphex Twin's music or did not listen carefully enough if you claim it's not psychedelic. On the contrary I would say some of his music is way more psychedelic than the majority of the selfproclamed so-called psychedelic trance artists.
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Pythagoraz
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Posted : Oct 26, 2006 23:22
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On 2006-10-26 21:36, Soul Kontakt wrote:
How can you compare music of aphex twin and venetian blinds to psychedlic music?? There is no comparison they are completely different culture's and feelings! we are talking about psychedelic here or am i in the wrong forum? And yes here I am compaing the trip factor
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It's quite obvious that you probably never heard Aphex Twin's music or did not listen carefully enough if you claim it's not psychedelic. On the contrary I would say some of his music is way more psychedelic than the majority of the selfproclamed so-called psychedelic trance artists.
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VERY true!
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Soul Kontakt
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Posted : Oct 26, 2006 23:31
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Yes i agree but a totally different psychedelic what i mean is that the flow of the music is much different, it's uncomparable....i loved aphex twin when i was younger i still have most of his albums on vynl...but it's not the same feeling at all! |
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vegetal
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Posted : Oct 27, 2006 00:41
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psytheriatsunami
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Posted : Oct 27, 2006 01:01
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i would like to hear a fussion between aphex twin and psytrance i think it would  |
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psytheriatsunami
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Posted : Oct 27, 2006 01:08
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and back in to the topic...
i think its bigger responsability for audience to know what is going to be played in a party than the responsability of the DJ to please others, i mean, its imposible to please everybody. Comes in my mind a long time ago party in wich i played like 4 nonstop hours and all kind of pople came close and ask me if i could play all kind of stuff.
and i mean ALL KIND.... there were even a guy that asked for Dr Dre... i was like "SAY WHAT!!".
of course im not popular DJ and people would have no idea about my style but
come ooooooooooooooon
the flyer was prety clear about the styles of psytrance that were going to be played. |
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mudpeople
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Posted : Oct 27, 2006 18:30
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aphex trance!? Oh yeah!!
It seems to me that even in the subgenres of psytrance there are different emotions, feelings coming through. For example, our humble threadstarter oCeLoT makes many night-oriented tracks, full of psychedelic drippy bubbly happy stuff, whereas Vegetal has a more agressive, thrash-crash-throw the fist in the air style, and then you have Metallaxis, which to me is like falling down a long tunnel with all sorts of energies and smoke and colors flowing around you, the dominant feeling being, whoa, when did we lose control? oh well, lets go with it! As a DJ I wouldnt play some oCeLoT right after some Vegetal. Or some Terminator right after some MWS.
If I knew a bunch of individuals were "exercising their cognitive freedom" at the party, Id try to stay away from the more aggro stuff, but if I knew it was a party with a bunch of metal and punk fans, or goth-black-occult types, Id play it as hard and dark as possible.
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Spiritual_mind
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Posted : Oct 27, 2006 20:43
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Not really listening to the samples you know....
Unless its funny and makes me laugh...
Or perhaps related to Sci-tech?
Samples related to death,rape do disturb people I guess...but then again, if your letting it get to u too much, perhaps ur not in the right genre of music to begin with.....
But yes, DJs/Artists do have responsibilities...Respect for that.
Boom.
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vegetal
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Posted : Oct 27, 2006 22:03
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Andrew
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Posted : Oct 28, 2006 01:40
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TrippyJohnny said this back a few pages - "They (producers) should do exactly what they like to do without considering anybody else than themself in the music making process"
Doing exactly what comes to your creative mind is known as 'artistic freedom'. I don't believe people should have to make music one way or another, but i guess people should be aware that some djs are gonna play the most head fucking music possible ! Personally I don't like the really dark stuff (eg samples about rape murder etc), as I think that is sadistic, but good scarey music at nighttime has always seemed right. I used to shit myself at the old Goa parties outdoors in the bush where theres noone else around but the people at the party, twisting amongst the moonlit trees...It was a measure - the more scared i was the better, and more convincing the music was. And this was all done without any grizly samples... 'music is a language', but quite an abstract one, so perhaps if you want to get a really sick idea across, do it with ya synths not ya samples....?  )))) my 2 cents Andrew
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Spiritual_mind
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Posted : Oct 28, 2006 03:01
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Peace on a monochrome night is the greatest gift we can take from this culture.
There are only certain times when you should give yourself the liberty of being at mercy on someone elses behest.
After careful consideration of course, as to who it is, who is going lead you through the journey.
Thats when the dependability of art(iests) set in motion by DJs 'kick' in.
Boom.
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Venom29
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Posted : Oct 28, 2006 12:14
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I agree with the people who said the producers have a responsibility to themselves. The "power" is in their hands when they're up on stage, but to blame them because someone is having a bad trip? Come on, that's ridiculous. It's up to the party people to decide what they want to listen to, and if the sounds are not to your liking, why stay on the dancefloor? There are lots of other things to do at parties than just listen to music. That is why we have such a variety of artists and instead of criticising them all the time we should appreciate their efforts in trying to please different kinds of party people (just my opinion, of course)
I remember at a New Years Party in Portugal where Neuromotor was playing. He started off his set with the Bush song with that vicious sample "I am the anti-christ....." You should have seen some of the expressions on the people's faces! It was hilarious. But the man had the decency to explain to the people the true meaning of the words in that track. He actually explained what the song was about after his set and played a killer rmx of the same song.
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Soul Kontakt
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Posted : Oct 28, 2006 23:13
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Yeah it's true what your saying but really it would not be my piece of cake to hear the music played at that party for sure, i prefer to leave the music in the hands of more good energy than "I am the anti christ" I prefer a nice serious melody to some smaples...
Boom :)
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mudpeople
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Posted : Oct 29, 2006 00:00
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I always come back to the thought that, if you cant handle these thoughts, if you just cant seem to be able to face these things which are a fundamental part of human existence, maybe all you want to do is escape, ignore, bury your head in the dirt and ignore it til it goes away. I personally prefer to face the things that scare me or make me uncomfortable, so then I dont have to worry anymore!
If the samples make you have a bad trip, maybe they're just bringing out an aspect of your own self that you've been afraid to face. Is this bad? I would say that deluding yourself is much worse than any fear, once you face the fear its gone!
So, if you come upon something unnerving in life, you just run away, cover it up, and hope it goes away? Come to terms with the fact that this may happen BEFORE you take any psychedelics. Think about it as much as possible, travel through the dark bad thoughts to the light at the end. Think of it as an underwater passage through a cave. Once you get about halfway through you may as well see it all the way to the end.
My opinion is that, if you're scared, GOOD!! Sometimes we get into grooves in our lives, where we fall into patterns, develop norms. In my opinion, these must be periodically challenged if not outright destroyed! We all need to shake the foundations of what we hold to be Reality. If you dont, then how can you know it will hold up?
History is not made by those who would hide from themselves.
Much more to the point: They're just samples!!!! Get over it. The music and the dance are infinitely more important than fear, drugs, or comfort.
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neuromantik
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Posted : Oct 29, 2006 14:57
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On 2006-10-28 23:13, Soul Kontakt wrote:
i prefer to leave the music in the hands of more good energy than "I am the anti christ" I prefer a nice serious melody to some smaples...
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Can someone point me to the exact songs which contain the samples "I am the anti christ" and "Time to die"? I just want to make sure this thread isn't a load of FUD.
Also it has been mentioned before, but everyone reacts to samples and atmospheres differently. For instance when I listen to datakult I'm as a happy a 13 year school girl with a pony  ... Whereas when I listen to Hypersonic - Zuma, then I feel like axing everybody in the room, the dj most of all. Go figure |
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