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vegetal
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boomshanthi
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Posted : Oct 25, 2006 21:07
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On 2006-10-25 20:15, Stregone wrote:
There are people which explore their minds without substances, why do you think you NEED psychedelic substance to be psychedelic?
I think a skizophrenic can be hundreds of times more psychedelic then you with 10 drops of lsd....
The brain is something powerfull and is not all about the brain, there are people who needs to experiment something in a state of abuse of substance and with luck stop using those substance and arriving in the same state without, there are others which can do it without....
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wow, i really wish i could be there... yes, i can enjoy music without any substance... but with some psychedilics i have a lot better time... you know, the music takes you places, and there is nothing but music pounding in your head, no thoughts, nothing else... 
coming back to topic, i think it is the responsibility of the dj/artist to make sure atleast the majority of the crowd is taken on a nice trip... i think this applies more to a dj cos he has to create a story or a flow off the music of different artists...
and if it is an artist playing, then obviously you are going to hear the style of the particular artist - dark/morning/progressive/chillout... so if you dont like one style just keep away from it...
about people flipping out, i really dont think the dj/artist can be blamed for that... i enjoy dark music in the night... the darker it gets, the better... and i know a lot of people like me, but none who flipped out ONLY because of the music...
i think if you respect the substance you are about to do, and understand how much you can handle or how much you need to have a good time, you will be okay...
and is ocelot's new album more morning dancefloor oriented?
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MercuryFall
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Posted : Oct 25, 2006 21:23
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and is ocelot's new album more morning dancefloor oriented?
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Mwahahhhahhhaaaa!!!! Don't count too much on that!! 
Thanks Johnny and Psytone for a very entertaining reading 
You know, there are artists who sing about nuclear war or serial killers...
Do they actually need to experience these things before doing a piece of art about them?
And do a psytrance producer needs to take psychedelic substances before he can make a psychedelic track?
See my point? Psychedelism is imagination!! The further out you go, the trippier you get!! The substance is not a prerequisite, imho...
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Inner Demon
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Isn't the argument 'the dj/producer should play what the crowd wants to hear' a bit overrated?
As vegetal said, this can't be applied to producers at all, and even most dj's represent a specific style or only play label music etc...and I think this is good!
I would probably not go to parties if the same 'hit' tracks were being blasted every single time because its what "the crowd wants".
Besides, if we turn the argument on its head you might say that as a partygoer you read the lineup before going to the party and you'll have an idea.. if you don't like it, don't go. As an artist you get booked because the organizers and the ppl that turn up want to hear the music they know you represent and I think that goes for djs as well although they obviously may have possibilities to adapt a set in a way a liveact may not. |
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Mistress of Evil
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hmm, interesting topic Aaron. I see what you are saying for sure, that the music makers and djs play a really influential role on their audience, esp those audience members under the influence of a heavy dose, and therefore in a potentially vulnerable state.
The problem with tailoring the music so as not to scare the audience or "giving someone a bad trip", is that everyone is at a different stage in his or her life/ego/emotions/mental state. What is scary to someone could be funny or reflective to someone else. And vice versa. A samples like "time to die" to someone really sensitive to the topic of death and dying, could be a potential trigger for an intense "bad" trip. But the same sample to someone who does not harbor a fear of death, to someone who might be less senstive to such issues, would obviously affect them differently.(and i am not defending the use of such samples exactly, i would prefer not to hear stuff like that in the music as well) So, in many cases it is not the actual sample or element in the music that causes the reaction but the connotation with which the person hearing it percieves, which can vary depending on your life experience. And so, if we all have different "triggers", then it is impossible to create music that would not offend at least one person. To some, even hearing psychedelic trance at all, is an intense experience and enough to "cause a bad trip". Although for the record i think you are responsible for your own trip, and in most cases it is not the circumstances, but your reaction to the circumstances that make you freak out. (unless of course in overt, and obviously horrible situations).
But i do agree with Ocelot, that i would hope the producers and djs realize that they are in a place of huge impact on their audience, and that they maintain an overall positivist perspective and intention, free from maliciousness and ill will.
This has been a huge question for me though, the level of responsibility of the artist... i wrote this awhile back, which seems to only ask more questions than provide answers, but hey, maybe even though there is not a cut and dried answer, its good to be aware that the questions exist:
"How about as an artist, what level of responsibility do you have to
those who experience your art? When you create your art, should you
keep your audience in mind? Should you even modify your potential
expression so as to reduce the impact it may have on your audience?
what then is the point of art? do you make art for yourself or for
someone else? I always find that the art that really speaks to me
allows me a glimpse of life in a way i have never seen it before, a
raw insight into the mind and soul of another person. Maybe art should
really be a selfish thing. If art were created with someone else in
mind, wouldn't it feel forced or fake in some way? But what happens if
your art is distateful, or worse yet, offensive to someone else? What
would happen if your art made someone sick when they experienced it.
What level of responsibilty do you as an artist have for the
individual reactions to your art?"
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Magox
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i dont believe it is the responsability of the dj or artist to "take us on a journey"..........
if the artist plays music that "leads" people on a "bad trip".........then it is he who ultimately will pay for this...
because less people will support him the next time he plays........
but as far crticising the artist who plays "evil" sounding trance........is a little questionable to me.........
i understand why.......but still questionable for me....
obviously........there is a very large market for people who like this sound.......... or else their wouldnt be constant releases of this style of music........
so.........i imagine..........if you go to a party...........where Horrorplace and Blisagargon are to be playing...........i think you probably allready know what to expect to hear out of them.........
now i know that their was a earlier "discussion" lets say.............
focusing on the "impact" of drugs to the music that is being played.......
lets be real here..........drugs ABSOLUTELY play a large role in psychedelic trance..........
this is not a discussion of whether or not this is correct or not..........i totally agree with Trippy's point of view of that the music is what is important here.........
however.........psychotropic drugs do run rampant in parties and festivals.........
and i am ok with this........it is our choice to do what we would like.....as long as we dont hurt others of course......
it is a REALITY........
so having said that.........i do believe that a good artist or dj.........will be conscience of making sure that the people that listen to his music........will totally "enjoy" themselves...........
im sure their is nothing more that he would like.....
to see smiling faces and people jumping around........
Each artist has his style.......and according to that style.....their will be a response......and the "good" artists typically get "good" responses......
this is the beauty....... we have so many artists out their now that play so many different styles..........and we ultimately have the choice to see who we would liketo see......
and one artist might think that he would like for everyone to "GROOVE" all night
..........maybe for another artist he would like for everyone to "STOMP" themselves to an oblivion..........
and for another artist he might want to "SCARE" the shit out of You........
too each his own.....
ultimately it is your choice what you will listen to and be a part of.......
if the artist plays music that the people dont enjoy.......then people wont support him.....
so anyway......
this is what i believe....
but i am very glad to hear that OCELOT is very conscience of that......
cheers....
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psytheriatsunami
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On 2006-10-25 21:48, Inner Demon wrote:
Isn't the argument 'the dj/producer should play what the crowd wants to hear' a bit overrated?
As vegetal said, this can't be applied to producers at all, and even most dj's represent a specific style or only play label music etc...and I think this is good!
i agree...
i think producers and djs responsability its to keep their jobs and evolve their skills.
anyway it depends in the kind of producer or dj cause (in other music styles) some Djs and producers are paid to play specifically somo sort of music or to make some kind of style... maybe with the intention to get a bigger audence=more money?
if the work of any kind of artist goes succesfull then that means that his work its apreciated by the necesary people to be considered a "succes".i mean. theres no bad art just misunderstood"
i think no one but yourself its responsible for your badtrips i mean
come ooooooooooooooon!
in drugs or clean, consiently or unconsiently you acept to go to "x" party or to buy "y" album.
If you dont like negative samples you can just ignore them or give them a positive meaning. but seriously if you censure then you suk |
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Magox
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Posted : Oct 26, 2006 00:33
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BTW.....
awesome, constructive thread.....
this for me is constructive criticism.....
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Pythagoraz
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On 2006-10-25 13:24, mr_sparx wrote:
I think alot of dj's and producers forget that they are up there to play for the crowd and not for themselves and that means playing what the crowd wants to hear and not yourself.
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I'm only playing what the crowd wants to hear because the crowd buys tickets to hear my music. -it will never be the other way around for me.
-hell how the #¤%# would I even know what the crowd wanted?! -Maybe they should fill out a form at the entrance? 
and by the way, I really can't see what the big problem is? -are you saying that people don't know what they buy tickets to go hear? -or that they are forced to go? or what...
enlighten me?
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mr_sparx
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On 2006-10-26 01:47, Pythagoraz Denmark wrote:
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On 2006-10-25 13:24, mr_sparx wrote:
I think alot of dj's and producers forget that they are up there to play for the crowd and not for themselves and that means playing what the crowd wants to hear and not yourself.
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I'm only playing what the crowd wants to hear because the crowd buys tickets to hear my music. -it will never be the other way around for me.
-hell how the #¤%# would I even know what the crowd wanted?! -Maybe they should fill out a form at the entrance?
and by the way, I really can't see what the big problem is? -are you saying that people don't know what they buy tickets to go hear? -or that they are forced to go? or what...
enlighten me?
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If a person buys a ticket to come and see me play then they already have an expectation of what "style" of music I am going to be playing and I have a responability to deliver , I'm not going to slap on whatever took fancy while lying on your couch at home , I'm going to play for the crowd according to the particular timeslot .But sadly i have seen many a DJ play what they like and even tell me they dont give a toss what the crowd wants to hear and they just play what they like and the crowd must fall in line. I find that shocking .........
hope this clears up what i meant
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mk47
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Posted : Oct 26, 2006 07:21
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i find quiet retarted the notion that ppl (on lsd etc) freak out if they hear a `` i will drink your blood `` type sample at a party .. dont do drugs .. simple
.. and in no way am i underestimating the power of a good hit of acid .. but still
interesting topic tho , hey ocelot .. this sudden dawning of `resposibility` .. hehe .. that why ur new album is melody trance ? is it goodbyes to the ocelot of old ? those squelchy brain numbing weird twisted freaky acid sounds ?
peace
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Stregone
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Posted : Oct 26, 2006 07:29
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About what Mistress of Evil said, your questions are good!
But! As far as I can see today in the psy trance scene... with all his style involved... I see much more technicians or little "briqueleurs" (in french don't know how to say in english, like puzzle maker a little ) then real artists!
I mean as you say real art doesn't have schema which you are forced to follow, is something from you in your intimity in the deepest of your mind and soul....
Psytrance is not like that! It has structure, it has laws, it has a lot of copy....
For what is my opinion is that there are real artists of sound and there are a lots of technicians of sounds and there are also both in the most of cases..... You can find more often real artists in chill out ambient because you don't have so many rules to follow as in psytrance, here we have more half or technicians....
For me a technician, HAVE to think what he is doing and must be responsible in front of his audience....
That's the point for me
P.S: Vegetal if you go to the museum de l'art brute in Lausanne( Switzerland) you'll see what incredibles things can do those schizos artists, is really impressive!
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Dennis the menace
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Posted : Oct 26, 2006 11:00
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a dj's responsibility is to read the dancefloor and keep the people dancing and drink beer. nothing else
And the producers dont have a single responsibility except for playing their music.. Its all up to the organizers in the end imho 
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Dogon
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On 2006-10-26 11:00, Dennis the menace wrote:
a dj's responsibility is to read the dancefloor and keep the people dancing and drink beer. nothing else
And the producers dont have a single responsibility.. Its all up to the organizers in that case
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how could you forget eating Frankieeees.....
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Dennis the menace
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Posted : Oct 26, 2006 11:05
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well, the frankies is also a part of the organizers responsibility. Every dj playing in india has the right to get frankies!!!
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