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the responsibility of the music maker and dj
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TrippyJohnny
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Posted : Oct 25, 2006 18:22
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On 2006-10-25 18:07, psytones wrote:
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On 2006-10-25 17:52, TrippyJohnny wrote:
Why am I as a DJ or an artist responsible for his trips? Weird mindset's some of you got.
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Still, the producer of psy-trance should take great honour of producing music that people will visit in other dimension, and that’s also why it’s so important to produce music with a trip in mind. – As “we all” know, the music changes a great deal when influenced by LSD, mushroom… When you produce, take advantage of this, learn how to interact with the behaviour of the substance.
And the DJ, whoa, don't get me started, I would much rather listen to a DJ who is conscious about the music/trippers and wants to build up a beautiful set with a "story". Don't you think that IE. Bryggen DJ's love the music? But I wouldn't trust my trip on their sets. Sorry for clumsy and short explanation Johnny, but do you relate or slightly understand what I mean?
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Sorry but no I do not agree,. The producer should take great care of expressing what's inside him/her without thinking about sales, people's opinion and without considering those people that somehow have got the twisted deranged idea that producers need to do drugs to "understand" and make good psychedelic music... caugh caugh (in absense of stronger words)
The DJ should of course not play Salsa if people expect Rumba. And a good DJ know how to read the crowd but there are limnits to how much responsability you put on a DJ's shoulders. And I never saw a DJ job describtion that include Nanny work.
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Posted : Oct 25, 2006 18:28
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haha  ok, we're then reading two totally different books. You didn't get me at all. I don't think neither of us is wrong, it's just about different opinions. And it looks like you don't understand (forget about agree) my thoughts (?) I have never said that a DJ should play nanny. People can take care of them self,, but a DJ and a producer of psychedelic trance should (impo) take psychedelic substances under concideration while producing/playing. akk ja. And stop talking about drugs man, we're talking psychedelics! ^^ |
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Dogon
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Posted : Oct 25, 2006 18:32
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OK....
Band Ready.... Doooooof
By the left.... Quick March
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TrippyJohnny
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Posted : Oct 25, 2006 18:33
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On 2006-10-25 18:28, psytones wrote:
haha ok, we're then reading two totally different books. You didn't get me at all. I don't think neither of us is wrong, it's just about different opinions. And it looks like you don't understand (forget about agree) my thoughts (?)
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I understand your thought's but to be absolutely truthful I think you live a bit too much for the drugs and less for the music.
It's your right and decision but I will never accept to see people telling artists that they have to do drugs (or psychedelics as you choose to call them) in order to "understand" psychedelic music. It's an elitist thinking and also very narrowminded. And without wanting to hurt anyne here or insult anyone. To me it's an opinon I suspect is with those who do maybe a little too many drugs for their own good. Those who "think" they hold the truth because they know better because they do drugs and because of that "understand" psychedelic music better than those who do not do the drugs.
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Dogon
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Posted : Oct 25, 2006 18:35
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Posted : Oct 25, 2006 18:36
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On 2006-10-25 18:33, TrippyJohnny wrote:
I understand your thought's but to be absolutely truthful I think you live a bit too much for the drugs and less for the music.
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I have NEVER been offended like this in my life. *argh* ^^ Music has been my substitute parents LONG fucking before I ever tested drugs. You don't know, if you knew me you would understand. I am music, music is me. Don't think for a second that psytones and the words I spread here is all I am about. less about the music. phø .. If anything, the "drugs" has thought me to apriciate the music even more - or at least showed me another angle. That I must admit, I like
Oh, and yeah, I smoke too much. I'm trying to quit/cut down everyday smoking as we speak. Wish me good luck 
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TrippyJohnny
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Posted : Oct 25, 2006 18:42
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On 2006-10-25 18:36, psytones wrote:
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On 2006-10-25 18:33, TrippyJohnny wrote:
I understand your thought's but to be absolutely truthful I think you live a bit too much for the drugs and less for the music.
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I have NEVER been offended like this in my life. *argh* Music has been my substitute parents LONG fucking before I ever tested drugs. You don't know, if you knew me you would understand. I am music, music is me. Don't think for a second that psytones and the words I spread here is all I am about.
Oh, and yeah, I smoke too much. I'm trying to quit/cut down everyday smoking as we speak. Wish me good luck
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Firts I never tried to offend you. I only point out what I believe and how your posts at isra look like to me. In almost or the majority of your post here on isra you talk about drugs as the key element in the music which I think is absolutely rubbish..sorry for my bad language....and when you write and I quote:
"but a DJ and a producer of psychedelic trance should (impo) take psychedelic substances under concideration while producing/playing"
Then I simple disagree. They should do exactly what they like to do without considering anybody else than themself in the music making process (I can agree about the dj to a certain point). Sorry but maybe the psyscene would be a bit more evolving and interesting if the artists actually did what they wanted to do instead of what's popular demand.
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Posted : Oct 25, 2006 18:42
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Repeating my self here, but read and think:
Take responsibility for your self, and don’t take the blotter if your not sure, there is NO shame in saying no, no matter how bad you want to impress people. Do it for your self, not others. Still, the producer of psy-trance should take great honour of producing music that people will visit in other dimension, and that’s also why it’s so important to produce music with a trip in mind. – As “we all” know, the music changes a great deal when influenced by LSD, mushroom… When you produce, take advantage of this, learn how to interact with the behaviour of the substance.
I mean, are we digging psychedelic music, or ... music?
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Dogon
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Posted : Oct 25, 2006 18:47
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IMO, you would never agree to each other or come to a common platform (not just 2 of you particularly) as the matter is subjective i.e. subject to one's choice & wish, if he/she wants to take Dz for enhancement of the musical experience as there are some who go on the voyage without any Dzzzz & there are others who do not kick start the journey without any Dz.........
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TrippyJohnny
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Posted : Oct 25, 2006 18:49
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On 2006-10-25 18:42, psytones wrote:
and that’s also why it’s so important to produce music with a trip in mind. – As “we all” know, the music changes a great deal when influenced by LSD, mushroom… When you produce, take advantage of this, learn how to interact with the behaviour of the substance. |
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Sorry but the difference between your and my mindset is that I do not consider it the artists responsability to do anythinge else than what they like to do. No one have the right to dictate what they should do and how they should look at things. And thats what I feel you do when you keep saying that they have to keep your psychedelic vision or drug use in mind when they make their music. No they don't have to do that at all. As I have pointed out many times now. All an artist have to do is make the music he or she like the way he or she want it to be and according to his or her own vision.
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Posted : Oct 25, 2006 18:52
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And smack a "Psychedelic" label on it? Mind you that I am talking psychedelic music here, not just music. There IS a difference. haha, and yeah, your right my friend, I'm being very subjective here. I just have a ego that sais that my subjective opinion should be objective, lol  |
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Dogon
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Posted : Oct 25, 2006 18:58
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On 2006-10-25 18:52, psytones wrote:
haha, and yeah, your right my friend, I'm being very subjective here. I just have a ego that sais that my subjective opinion should be objective, lol
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Then the Dj should mind this that psytones needs an ego crushing trip
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TrippyJohnny
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Posted : Oct 25, 2006 18:59
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On 2006-10-25 18:52, psytones wrote:
And smack a "Psychedelic" label on it? Mind you that I am talking psychedelic music here, not just music. There IS a difference. haha, and yeah, your right my friend, I'm being very subjective here. I just have a ego that sais that my subjective opinion should be objective, lol
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But look at it from this point and from my own world of music.
My music used to be called psychedelic. BUT I never really had drugs or other peoples psychedelic journeys in mind when i did the music. I just did what I had inside of me without considering anyone but my own artistic visions. Yet it was called psychedelic trance eventhough I personally don't agree so much on all the drug use/abuse I see in the psyworld. I think the scene would be better with less abuse and drug promotion but hey thats my opinion of course.
But that does not mean I do not understand the concept of psychedelic music and that I by that was not qualified to do the music i did.
People have to be careful not to get into the old and in my opinion boring frame that if you do not do drugs you do not know what "true" psychedelic music is. It's simple not true and only an opinion shared by people who i consider a bit too much hooked on the whole drug praising idea. And no Jan i am not pointing fingers at you. I speak in general and according to what i have seen for years in the psyscene
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Posted : Oct 25, 2006 19:04
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And as a person who has tried a couple of your tracks on a trip. I would like to point out that your psychedelic talent is to stop time, which in it self is a very strong psychedelic experience, when a producer makes music (intended or not) that totally removes time and room. You have/had fantastic music. Abusement is stupis no matter what you do (drugs, love, fear .... ) One should always try to balance life so that you do not abuse. Abusement is what kills us inside and out. And to all that you wrote above .. 
fred ut/peace out
Edit: Don't you honestly believe that you should have had at least ONE psychedelic experience to know what psychedelic is, even though how subjective the meaning "psychedelic" might be for one to another person? For me personally, to live a life without having felt and experienced the feelings I have felt, be it psy or drugs. Would be to live a life without ever having sex. Think of life and emotions like a rank of different feelings. At least I’ve tried a lot of them. I haven’t regretted it once. I love the thought that I’ve been there done that. .. ah shit, I’m mumbling here, sorry. Back to this: |
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Stregone
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Posted : Oct 25, 2006 20:15
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There are people which explore their minds without substances, why do you think you NEED psychedelic substance to be psychedelic?
I think a skizophrenic can be hundreds of times more psychedelic then you with 10 drops of lsd....
The brain is something powerfull and is not all about the brain, there are people who needs to experiment something in a state of abuse of substance and with luck stop using those substance and arriving in the same state without, there are others which can do it without....
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