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the responsibility of the music maker and dj
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Stregone
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Posted : Oct 25, 2006 13:34
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It depends......
I think that u don't have to just do what the crowd want or u are commercial, but you also can't just throw what u like becaus eis too personal....
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Freeflow
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Posted : Oct 25, 2006 16:38
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On 2006-10-25 11:33, TrippyJohnny wrote:
I fail to see how it is the artists or dj's responsability to act as Nanny's for druggies who cant cope on their trips. get a grip. Its people's own responsability to know if they can handle what they put in their mouth. Nobody force them to take drugs.
It's kind of fun to see the dark artists talking about responsability. You are among those that who's music have given most people badtrips due to the dark and "evil" atmospheres. Just an example not an accusation.
The point is. Don't put everything on the artists and dj's shoulders. They have the rigtht to express themself as they please and should not be limited in any way just because some people think it's all about the drugs. To me it's all about the music and not the drugs. If people can't cope with it then it's fankly their own responsability and then they should think twice before doing all the drugs people do at parties.
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i agree..
though some drakpsy is just nagging and even without drugs you could get a bad trip... if this is the case... Shoot the Dj or artist... 
i think in texas there was a heavymetal group playing and one person in the crowd took up a gun and shot the singer or who it was he shoot...
anyway.. the Dj and artists should follow their visions.. if the vision is to make people smile and dance... or to mediate some emotion or whatever. let them do it...
too look at things from another view, we are all responsable for our actions and its for sure something to ponder,
dont blame the dj for a bad trip, casue you could have choosen not to take the trip or just take a long walk away from the elements that bothering you... though you cant flee from your self!
now there is music that connects everybody on the dancefloor.. and its wicked when it happens... everybody gets drawn to the dancefloor.. no matter which drug you are on... the music is the strongest drug!!
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Pt.
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Posted : Oct 25, 2006 17:00
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Life is the strongest drug!!  |
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Freeflow
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Posted : Oct 25, 2006 17:27
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Life is music 
havent you heard about the "string theory" hehe
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Posted : Oct 25, 2006 17:28
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On 2006-10-25 13:24, mr_sparx wrote:
I think alot of dj's and producers forget that they are up there to play for the crowd and not for themselves and that means playing what the crowd wants to hear and not yourself.
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Hmmm.. but i think you forget and id like to quote my FRAKA freinds here- it's actually "Your Trip From OUR (DJ's) Point of View" 
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mist
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Posted : Oct 25, 2006 17:33
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On 2006-10-25 16:38, Freeflow wrote:
Shoot the Dj or artist...
i think in texas there was a heavymetal group playing and one person in the crowd took up a gun and shot the singer or who it was he shoot...
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you know, i really really really hope that your are trying to be sarcastic and/or cynical here. i knew darrel (this man from texas who was shot) and he was a kind salt of the earth guy... who would give you the shirt off of his back if you asked for it. he didn't deserve to die the way he did, and the situation was 100% tragic for his friends, family, and fans. for you to advocate the death of a person... well, i'm just speachless.
Are you connected to yourself?
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mist
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Posted : Oct 25, 2006 17:37
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On 2006-10-25 13:24, mr_sparx wrote:
I think alot of dj's and producers forget that they are up there to play for the crowd and not for themselves and that means playing what the crowd wants to hear and not yourself.
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amen, brother. amen. some djs forget this.
(which is what i was originally logging on to say before being distracted by Freeflow's horribly crass comment)
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Sound Surgeon
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Posted : Oct 25, 2006 17:43
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So you say I should remove a vocal which says :"please dont kill me" so no one gets some bad thought and kill someone?
The track will be some kinda darky, but not with hidden messages of killing a human
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Freeflow
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Posted : Oct 25, 2006 17:44
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mist - sorry man, rather stupid saying it like that.
for sure i was being sarcastic,
maybe not so smart being sarcastic on the expense of a dead person..
i hope you forgive me for my ignorance.
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TrippyJohnny
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Posted : Oct 25, 2006 17:52
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On 2006-10-25 17:33, mist wrote:
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On 2006-10-25 16:38, Freeflow wrote:
Shoot the Dj or artist...
i think in texas there was a heavymetal group playing and one person in the crowd took up a gun and shot the singer or who it was he shoot...
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you know, i really really really hope that your are trying to be sarcastic and/or cynical here. i knew darrel (this man from texas who was shot) and he was a kind salt of the earth guy... who would give you the shirt off of his back if you asked for it. he didn't deserve to die the way he did, and the situation was 100% tragic for his friends, family, and fans. for you to advocate the death of a person... well, i'm just speachless. |
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Maybe before jumping to conclusions you should take your time and carefully read what he wrote. He was pointing out that it was a mad man among the crowd that shot the guy on the stage for whatever reason. Freeflow did not at any point say he deserved to be killed or that it was justified.
The "shoot the dj" comment was a joke refering to some artists music being so bad that it can give you a badtrip without even being on drugs.
The whole point is when enough is enough? Why is it that so many here always need to lecture dj's and artists how to make their music and how to perform? Leave them alone and go out and see if you can do it any better. It's a free world. You are welcome if you think you got something to offer.
To me I could not care less if some mofo can not deal with his trip. I did not ask him to play around with drugs he can't handle. Why am I as a DJ or an artist responsible for his trips? Weird mindset's some of you got.
And sorry but for me artistic freedom and the music comes way before the drugs. I know some people here have a hard time grasping that concept.
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mr_sparx
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Posted : Oct 25, 2006 17:55
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@ Sound Surgeon no dude i think what is meant by this is that you have to remember you are responsible, in a sense ,for peoples head space when you are playing and have to always remember to be mindfull of that
For those that understand no explanation is necessary ; for those that dont , no explanation is possible
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vegetal
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Posted : Oct 25, 2006 17:58
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Might be applied on a dj, but Pleeeease tell me how you apply this on a producer, the reason you are booked is because of your music.
And i know i speak for alot of producers when i say, we are not fans of fans, we are fans of music!
And from a personal aspect, id rather hear a voice shouting "shut tha fuck up" if i was tripping rather then hearing Dali:s untuned voice in a PA, but that is just me. Demand recognition for the Armenian genocide 1915
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Rah
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Posted : Oct 25, 2006 18:06
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On 2006-10-25 17:52, TrippyJohnny wrote:
The whole point is when enough is enough? Why is it that so many here always need to lecture dj's and artists how to make their music and how to perform? Leave them alone and go out and see if you can do it any better. It's a free world. You are welcome if you think you got something to offer.
To me I could not care less if some mofo can not deal with his trip. I did not ask him to play around with drugs he can't handle. Why am I as a DJ or an artist responsible for his trips? Weird mindset's some of you got.
And sorry but for me artistic freedom and the music comes way before the drugs. I know some people here have a hard time grasping that concept.
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...and this coming from someone who originally opened the debate whether dark belonged in this scene or not? hehe.. gotta admit we come a long away since then huh? 
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Let's aknlowedge the idea of dark for a minute, which inself is part of the psychedelic experience and sure is valid form of expression (what isn't these days, right?). I think there's a difference between dark moods and emotions and negativity conveyed in different tracks. is it valid? off course be as negative as you want, but the question is, does it rightly fit in a psychedelic mindset to approach negative nihilistic (nearly goth/emo) tendencies... not for me... maybe it's different for you.
it's very easy to dettach yourself form any responsibility when you are out there playing music to say "is not my problem if they take psychedelics! that's their problem"... well... isn't that part of the idea... that we go to psychedelic parties to *gasp* take psychedelics? not everyone, not all the time and hopefuly not a heavy hoffman every time... but... it don't hurt to keep those poor souls in mind now and again, god knows being in a dark place at that particular moment is not exactly pleasant... elevating that concern as a responsibility, might be an individual concern.
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Pt.
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Posted : Oct 25, 2006 18:07
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On 2006-10-25 17:52, TrippyJohnny wrote:
Why am I as a DJ or an artist responsible for his trips? Weird mindset's some of you got.
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Still, the producer of psy-trance should take great honour of producing music that people will visit in other dimension, and that’s also why it’s so important to produce music with a trip in mind. – As “we all” know, the music changes a great deal when influenced by LSD, mushroom… When you produce, take advantage of this, learn how to interact with the behaviour of the substance.
And the DJ, whoa, don't get me started, I would much rather listen to a DJ who is conscious about the music/trippers and wants to build up a beautiful set with a "story". Don't you think that IE. Bryggen DJ's love the music? But I wouldn't trust my trip on their sets. Sorry for clumsy and short explanation Johnny, but do you relate or slightly understand what I mean?
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TrippyJohnny
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Posted : Oct 25, 2006 18:19
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On 2006-10-25 18:06, Rah wrote:
...and this coming from someone who originally opened the debate whether dark belonged in this scene or not? hehe.. gotta admit we come a long away since then huh?
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Wrong,. I never opened any debate. I participated And if you had cared to read my input's about dark music I was never against the music itself per se. I was debating against the use of their symbols. But that got absolutely nothing to do with this debate.
I read what you write but simply can not agree. It can never be a dj's responsability to be the Nanny for people who can't control their trips.
And how on earth should anyone be able to tell who's going to bad trip in a minute on the floor? It's so individual. While maybe 9/10 go with your music and understand the direction you take it then there's a few out there that can't understand it due to being too fucked up or just in a total different mindframe than you and the rest of the floor. How should the dj's or artists be responsible for those few people when the rest get the journey and enjoy the music?
It's absolutley Utopia to sit here in a forum and blame the DJ's and artists for people's bad judgement when it come to drug use.
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