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the responsibility of the music maker and dj
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Dogon
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Posted : Nov 1, 2006 19:21
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On 2006-11-01 19:16, Soul Kontakt wrote:
but even you, your energy is more connected to everything around you!
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Yea, thats it!
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vegetal
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Posted : Nov 1, 2006 19:29
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Posted : Nov 1, 2006 19:38
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Aah, isn't that sweet. Thank you  (that last line you wrote was funny dOg!  ) .. oh, and no bad feelings, right? We are all people with different opinions. What is right and wrong is entirely up to the subjective person. Peace, love and unity. Nothing else matters.
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On 2006-11-01 19:29, vegetal wrote:
Real music? is the opposite then fantasy music?
Is that like, music being played in fantasy-videogames?
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I'm not out to bash or get anyone here, but it seems to me that you got no clue at all when it comes to a psychedelic experience. Havn't you noticed while on a trip (or major meditation session) that time, room and space does not exist? And hence psychedelic music does not exist. "Real" music as Soul Kontakt is reffeiring to isn't what you seem to think it is. Hard to explain to someone who doesnt seem to have the experience.
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Dennis the menace
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Posted : Nov 1, 2006 19:40
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On 2006-11-01 19:16, Soul Kontakt wrote:
Although when the real music is played nobody talks and everbody dance!
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vegetal
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Posted : Nov 1, 2006 19:42
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..because I wrote some words above that could be offensive. I felt that I produced bad feelings, not you.
A question Veg-man. While on a trip, will you acknowledge that the music you listen to changes? Have you ever listened to your own music while under the influence? How did it change? To the better or worse. If it changed to the worse then you can say that you produce (in Soul's words) "real" music. Get the picture? - I remember when I first started to experience trips and psychedelic mushrooms, I was amazed about how a Goa album that I had sucked imo before. But when under the influence, the whole album was.. well.. perfect. It was like a a glove you know =) .. A friend of mine that was heavy into Tiesto, Euro-trance, Magik, wanted BAD to listen to a Magik compilation. And well, he changed CD quick. Know what, because the frequency or what ever fancy name you wish to put it under didn’t match.- The wave sort of.. The Euro-trance music we listened to went DOOOWN in speed, and was sounding like a drunk person, or a bad tape from the old tape days. So yes, I believe that psychedelic music SHOULD be produced with trips in mind. Because if you don't you might just end up with "real" music. Psychedelic trance is special. You agree to that, don't you?
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TrippyJohnny
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Posted : Nov 1, 2006 20:17
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On 2006-11-01 20:05, psytones wrote:
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Yes but so does the music if you have been up for 24 hours. Ever tried to be in a party (without doing drugs) and haven't slept for 24 hours or more? The point is that you do not need drugs to experience the music in "other dimensions". And that's the essential debate here. Some of you have a very hard time acknowledge that you do not need drugs or psychedelics (as you call it) to have psychedelic experiences or to truely understand psychedelic music or for that matter make "true" psychedelic music.
Your brain is very cabable of producing enough of the neurotransmitter Serotonin all by itself without having to take any stimuli. The music itself (if it's repetetive enough and trippy enough) can do it for you. That's the essential point some of you have missed totally.
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Posted : Nov 1, 2006 20:20
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Thats true. But no way that I get a LSD trip if I don't sleep for 36 hours. I might see patterns on the wall. But not OH LA LA LA!! dimensions. And the music, does it change THAT much after 36 hours no sleep? But yeah, your right. So I better sit down and mediate until I get a heavy LSD trip  If you stay inside a cave (dark) for more then IE. 24 hours, you will also produce heavy hallucinations. But that's not the point.
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Soul Kontakt
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Posted : Nov 1, 2006 20:27
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That's a point which i do not even consider as both experiences Psychedelic and the normal uplift of when you hear trance music is very far away from each other...With the psychedelic you are experiencing another dimension while straight you experience this dimension at it's best...Both dimensions are great and you should experince both of them as they are a walk of life leading to the white light of love freedom and unity in music, nature and culture....These experiences are what make a difference in this growing mad world! I thank god i have had loads of these experiences and they really changed my life to the better and they still are, and i beleive in this thing so much that i know i will work with all my hearth to keep it happening as much as i can!
Boom :)
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Pt.
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Posted : Nov 1, 2006 20:32
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On 2006-11-01 20:17, TrippyJohnny wrote:
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On 2006-11-01 20:05, psytones wrote:
While on a trip, will you acknowledge that the music you listen to changes? |
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Yes but so does the music if you have been up for 24 hours. |
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Not in the good ol' psychedelic way  |
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Dennis the menace
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Posted : Nov 1, 2006 20:39
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how old are you soul kontakt? |
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Soul Kontakt
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Posted : Nov 1, 2006 20:47
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Please, call him GanjaGil - btw. I'm 26, how old are you Dennis? |
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Well I would be the last person telling somebody not to take acid or shrooms unless he has not had a shizophrenic psychosis or something...
BUT i must admit: I totally agree with psytones when he sais the dj/producer should have a trip in mind when sounding... but whether this trip is induced by external substances, by endogen substances or just by contemplating doesn't really count IMHO.
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Magox
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Posted : Nov 2, 2006 01:28
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On 2006-11-01 20:47, Soul Kontakt wrote:
why this should matter i do not know but i am 29 mate
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it was an attempt to belittle you...........this is why he asked.....
and mr. trippy johnny...i have observed....you are always making comments similar to this -> "some of you have a hard time understanding" or "if some of you read the thread before you opinionate" ......these are tired and worn out comments.....
im sorry.......i have read everything.....and i have come to the conclusion.........it is you who "doesnt get it"..... all psytones and soul Kontakt are trying to say is that consuming psychotropic substances play a large role in "psychedelic" trance.......hence "psychedelic" trance.....
you see........psychotropic drugs......can make you hallucinate.....hear things differently......"open up doors" to new feelings and thoughts........and to compare going without sleep for an extended period to consuming a hallucinogenic; it doesnt compare for me.......maybe for you......
and i would be willing to say the vast majority of people would say the same......
once again......i am not advocating that it is necessary to have the two.........
i may trip or hallucinate maybe 4 or 5 times a year........however i listen to "psychedelic" trance 4 to 5 hours a day.......and obviously i am not hallucinating when i am listening to the music........i still feel rushes.....i still feel nice sensations.........and i thoroughly LOVE PSY TRANCE.........WITHOUT the DRUGS!!
so i enjoy it very much so in a clear state of mind.......
but when i go to a gathering or festival or party or whatever you want to call it...... i may want to "enhance" my experience......and for me "enhancing" my experience may include a hit of acid......mushrooms or some other psychotropic......
and i do this so i can enjoy the music, people, location and freedom the way that i would like to.....seeing things through "psychedelic" eyes........feeling things through "psychedelic" heart.....
i enjoy this from time to time......and i see it as an escape......a disconnect.....a disconnect from what i would say is the "real" world.....
far away from everything.....no work, no bills, no stresses......just pure freedom......pure "psychedelia".....
and i believe that many people take psychotropics and go to festivals with the same or similar intentions......
i understand that their are many people that dont probably think too much at all.......and take these substances in what i would call a "irresponsable" fashion.......not respecting the drug that they are going to take.......and may act upon their fears.....and end up doing something rather silly.....and jeopardize themselves and others at the expense of their immaturity.....
and i respect the drug......and i know if i have moments of anxiety.....that it is not just me.......it is the drug that i am consuming.....and the feelings that it is inducing me to feel...and i will go walk off......let things sort them selves out......and just chill for a while....like what we were talking about earlier............."evil" sounding samples.......creating "bad trips"......for a lot of people it doesnt......and for some it does...........if thats what the artist or dj wants to play at a gathering "god bless him" let him express his creativity through this means.....obviously their is a market for this style of trance....
you ultimately have the choice to listen to it or not.....if you dont like it.......walk away.....or try to block it out......and if you are tripping......and it is hard for you to block it out......well.......maybe next time you will think again or at least check out the lineup and respect the drug before you take it.......
responsability of artist to people......i believe we should handle and resolve our own problems........
if you trip badly........what?.......your going to blame the dj or artist........???
hmm.......that doesnt sound right to me......and if that is the case......your probably some one who makes excuses for your failures all the time.......
i dont mean to sound judgmental......but this is an observation that i have made through out my life time.........and i hope what ever i am saying......is nothing offensive to anyone.....
but merely a "psygoer" who wants things to work out for the best for everyone.....and sometimes i see "some" people.......making comments......just to be "critical" and "smug"......
and i dont believe this is a quality of anyone that will serve them well.......
unless your a professional critique...
btw......i am 32
respect
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