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the responsibility of the music maker and dj
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ocelot
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Posted : Oct 25, 2006 01:16
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the person who plays the music at a psychedelic trance party has a unique responsibility-
i dont feel that i've invented this responsibility nor do i feel that this is a subjective matter of taste but rather a matter of trust.
trust between the person who may take a strong psychotropic substance to experience the trance dance fully-( the initiation etc... many of us have been there and know what it is like.) and the person playing music.
if i hear a "time to die" sample and i am the person who is high on lsd for the first time- or having a bad trip etc... i might flip out and genuinely try to hurt someone or myself.
i've seen it happen.
that kind of sample has no business being in a trance track. it doesn't help the catharsis, but rather provokes and in fact causes badness.
its not a matter of artistic expression
its a matter of compassion and care for the wellbeing of your fellow human- and understanding the POWER you have when playing music- and understanding that the PEOPLE in front of you gave you that power to take them on a trip- and if you really respect this power they have given you for two hours or so...
if you are in music and you think its ok to seek or intend harm upon the minds of the people you are playing music for i think you are in the wrong genre and for the wrong reasons.
i think it comes down to intention.
people can feel intention.
but i want to discuss the different ways you think artists and djs are responsible to the group they are guiding and vice versa.
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rich
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Posted : Oct 25, 2006 02:46
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Excellent. Thanks for saying that.
I remember writing the same thing early on when I first discovered the music and the experience.
Seems even more important these days.
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Magox
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Posted : Oct 25, 2006 04:44
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for me to say what the dj is responsable for........is really not for me to say.....
but....what i would like to hear from an artist or dj i would say is continious streams of everlasting pumping beats and flow........
never taking us off track.......keeping the rhythm going......
i would like to feel moments of extreme exhiliration......where i feel so happy......that i just want to pull my hair out......
now there may be an artist that might play this style of music and may make me feel this way......but that same artist may not do it for another person......
i believe their are artists that play "evil" sounding trance......and there are many people that like this sound......and i dont criticise it.....because thats what they like.........and i respect that.....
but the beauty is that i have a choice to listen to that artist or dj play......if he is too "evil" sounding for me...or too much "cheese".......i will walk off......trip out on other things........and come back when i choose to do so......
so ultimately i have a responsability to my self to do what makes me happy.....
by the way.....
dreamselector  nice
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Le Lotus Bleu
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Posted : Oct 25, 2006 07:44
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in order bad things to happen like you mention Ocelot:
1)no ultra negative sample from psytrance producer, or other shitty pseudo commercial shitty influences for kiddies to be fashion.
2)don't experience lsd for listening psytrance, there's no need (or just let the artists take it for you through their music  ). I always considered the best way to enjoy psymusic is to listen to it straightly whithout any substance at all, but everybody does his way like he wants to  . |
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Posted : Oct 25, 2006 08:11
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On 2005-12-08 20:31, Kire-naj wrote:
To be a psychedelic music producer comes many responsebileties.
Think about it, your "responsible" for someones trip. |
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Posted : Oct 25, 2006 08:57
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well i felt like commit suicide or atleast take a walk in the forest when there was this guy playing morning hits during the night.
I think one should be responsible for his own actions.
That includes the dj, artist aswell as the bad tripping druggies on the dancefloor.
and hey, drugs are baaaaad for you  |
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Psynaesthesian
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Posted : Oct 25, 2006 09:00
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Well if an element of fear is a part of the story-line ... what does the artist/dj do then?
As Magox implies :- You (the listeners) are in control!!!
B'om Shankara!!
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MercuryFall
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Posted : Oct 25, 2006 09:30
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Excellent topic Ocelot, especially coming from a notorious 'darkhead'
Your track on Peakopath is definitely a moment of pure acid extreme brutal psychedelia, well done!!!
Thus said, I a am happy to read that you feel responsible for the others' trip. For sure, I've seen people flip out because of stupid satanic or bad vibe samples...
As Psynaesthesian puts it, an element of fear can be safely present I guess, we love to explore all kind of emotions! So as everything else in this universe, it's a question of balance...
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Stregone
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Posted : Oct 25, 2006 10:42
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I think yes an artist is responsible if he puts a "bad vibes sample" especially if he puts that because of equation: is evil= is killer
I really like vegetal political samples, because they are consciouss samples, he know what he want with those samples, I don't like the samples of many " dark" artists which throw in negative samples because they thinks they are KILLAH, no those are just shitty samples, with bad vibes... go find out psy samples or funny samples to makes your sound nicer to the listener, or at least more interesting, don't find out just evil samples....
It is not an horror film where is specified there is an adult content or something like that, it is music that is listened especially in partys....
But I also think that somebody who takes drugs is responsible of his act....
You take lsd? Is your problem if you trip, not mine... you have taken the decision to assume drugs, you have to assumes effects....
You know there will be "dark" music in the night, you take lsd, you can't come the day after writing here you had a bad trip because of that shitty fucking music that is not trance and so on....
You have to make a choice, you don't go anymore to partys with that sound or you don't take lsd...
If you are not able to make that choice then you have a big problem with drugs or with youre life go see a specialist or a psychologue pleaze.
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Soul Kontakt
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Posted : Oct 25, 2006 11:16
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Definately it's big responsability, people come to a psy party to trip and go on the voyage you want to take them. It's in your hands they have trusted you with the music so it's in your hands to give them a beuatiful experience!
Boom :)
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TrippyJohnny
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Posted : Oct 25, 2006 11:33
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I fail to see how it is the artists or dj's responsability to act as Nanny's for druggies who cant cope on their trips. get a grip. Its people's own responsability to know if they can handle what they put in their mouth. Nobody force them to take drugs.
It's kind of fun to see the dark artists talking about responsability. You are among those that who's music have given most people badtrips due to the dark and "evil" atmospheres. Just an example not an accusation.
The point is. Don't put everything on the artists and dj's shoulders. They have the rigtht to express themself as they please and should not be limited in any way just because some people think it's all about the drugs. To me it's all about the music and not the drugs. If people can't cope with it then it's fankly their own responsability and then they should think twice before doing all the drugs people do at parties.
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Posted : Oct 25, 2006 12:13
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A psychedelic artist should indeed see it as a BIG honour to be "responsible" for someone’s trip. I know I would, and I would do my best to give the tripper(s) a experience for life. Of course, each for his own, you are responsible for your own head. .. As I understand it (not thinking pure taste), in the old days, you could buy any given psychedelic trance release and be safe that this music will give you a “good” trip. These days, there is a bigger chance of buying music that will not give you a “good” trip. – It’s all right, I don’t expect you to understand my thought. But it’s my opinion.
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Elad
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Posted : Oct 25, 2006 12:16
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so how else one become "kilargh" ?
tripping should be fun , funny , pleasent , ?
how about shake your fear to overcome it ?
i personly rather the first .. but i've seen many that like fear itself.
that why in night time i play more .. dark , scary , powerfull music (also Ocelot ) and then with first lights start the carnival , until the catharsis with texas faggot and haltya sounds on air
ocelot - was that your thinking making "turn it up" ? cause damm man , im sure someone will flip out of that one day .. great track btw.. www.sattelbattle.com
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Posted : Oct 25, 2006 12:27
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I love both ego crushing trips, even though if the ego that is being crushed hurts a lot. But I adore the smooth, smiling and happy flappy trips as well. Either way, I expect, yes expect the producer of a psy-album that I have bought to take me on a journey. Infected Mushroom's old releases (including Shiva Shidapu) is amazing, and got what it takes. Psykovsky - Debut is the most advanced and deep album I've experienced. Hallucinogen gives me a ride for life! OTT is love and when the whispers comes, I get all paranoid, lol. Some people like to drive their head, some don't. Take responsibility for your self, and don’t take the blotter if your not sure, there is NO shame in saying no, no matter how bad you want to impress people. Do it for your self, not others. Still, the producer of psy-trance should take great honour of producing music that people will visit in other dimension, and that’s also why it’s so important to produce music with a trip in mind. – As “we all” know, the music changes a great deal when influenced by LSD, mushroom… When you produce, take advantage of this, learn how to interact with the behaviour of the substance.
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mr_sparx
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Posted : Oct 25, 2006 13:24
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I think alot of dj's and producers forget that they are up there to play for the crowd and not for themselves and that means playing what the crowd wants to hear and not yourself. |
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