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Posted : Feb 15, 2009 21:27
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ok very interesting your point i also missed the old times when kox box and others were making very interesting psychedelic music..
and i wonder also what happened..but let me tell you what i think that happened- the whole world is changing every day..and instead of listening to the full on progressive sleeping for me music that some of old school projects evolved to i prefer to listen what you call "dark"...dark is sth with no light..i listen these groups you call "dark"..and i see full colours..am i crazy? 
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Jedi_knight
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Posted : Feb 15, 2009 21:55
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For sure calling something "dark" isn't the best description for a genre and it should never have been developed with this name (for me)...
It should be called "psychedelic trance".
It has to do more with the speed and the bass than the brightness...
Sometimes i find the "dark" word degrading for what i feel listening to this kind of music...
I agree with you kaos!
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DETOX
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Posted : Feb 15, 2009 22:30
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If what is called "dark" would be called psychedelic trance then how would be Prometheus,Tristan and Logic Bomb music called?
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sotokkan
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Posted : Feb 15, 2009 23:00
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Malakies
is like to try to cut the see in the midle
dark, psy, rock, punk rock...
any way,
is very important to listen different cind of music and
always when i visit big festivals
my time is in chill stages
because there i listen good music
serius one
is so many good artists that i like to see in my town and
the promoters they think first the money that they can get
and then
they call the same and the same international
artists to listen them again and again
open your minds people and your ears also
i make and i run my own staff with direct connection
many years now
and we produse DUB and dub step
be ready for the psy part of this
SUPORT THE GREEK ARTISTS and DJs
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DETOX
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Posted : Feb 15, 2009 23:24
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On 2009-02-15 23:00, sotokkan wrote:
is so many good artists that i like to see in my town and
the promoters they think first the money that they can get
and then
they call the same and the same international
artists to listen them again and again
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You are absolutely right,the promoters should think what you like and invite those artists and in the end of the night when the party has lost thousands of euros they still should be happy because they offered something new to the scene and to the 200 people that attended this event so they should be smiling when they use their cards to take money from the ATM in order to pay the artists from their own pockets.
Last year (December 2007 actually) i invited Prometheus in Athens who i consider as the best psy trance artist because i love his music and i was hoping that at least a decent ammount of people would appreciate this move and gather to see him so that the event would at least break even.In the end i had to go home and take 2500 euros from my own pocket money in order to pay everyone since the event was a failure despite the fact that everyone that attended it had a superb time and described Prometheus live as probably the best live in Athens for the last 5 years.
Same with Jaia and the same with Human Blue and many other artists in the past.
I also wanted to see Kraftwerk and Aphex Twin in Athens and when Kraftwerk played here 2-3 years ago there were just 1000-1500 people there to see them and the promoter lost a lot of money and Aphex Twin's live was also cancelled because of low presale.
As my grandmother used to say opios einai ekso apo ton xoro pola tragoudia kserei.
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sotokkan
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Posted : Feb 15, 2009 23:40
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I was very lucky person to see Aphex Twin
in Berlin some years before
and you know Michali
some thinks is about culture
thats why i said to the people to open their minds,
just to listen something else..
i really hope to see really good artists in Athens
with fresh music and positive vibe
aaa
my ATM is on fire!
Leyteria se osous einai sta kelia!!
Haos k Alitia1
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Jedi_knight
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Posted : Feb 15, 2009 23:42
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On 2009-02-15 22:30, DETOX wrote:
If what is called "dark" would be called psychedelic trance then how would be Prometheus,Tristan and Logic Bomb music called?
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Psychedelic trance!
For me "dark" goes to something gothic or unhappy or depressing but not with something joyful or powerful or extra groovy...
But that is the name we use for the luck of simplicity.
I hope we are not going to a dark vs story...
Anyway however we the common people name it, music speaks louder than words and is above our description.
It remindes me the old days that we were listening rock but we had so different genres like rock,hard rock,heavy metal, trash metal, death metal and the ones were accussing the others that this is rock for "qays" or this is rock for "satanic people" but the truth is that when we were all together in some silly parties were Greek music was playing we were all wishing to play one rock track even if it was for "gays" or "zombies" 100 times more than the Greek one.
And even i who liked a lot Mettalica and Megadeth and Slayer and Kreator i was very pleased with Scorpions and Iron Maiden and Deep Purple...
That's the truth and after some years we realized it but our behavor had already done some damage to the whole rock scene and our rock company (!!!) and we were sorry for it...
Just imagine that for our ego and only when a track was playing from a group that we had contemn it in the past for the luck of simplicity or for the luck of genre even if we loved it we would never admit in public...
In order not to give someone the opportunity to judge us about the music genre we "had said" that we love....
@detox:
We are all in a big dancing circle and we dance all together the same song...
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DETOX
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Posted : Feb 15, 2009 23:55
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Sotokkan my name is Michael by the way 
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Nectarios
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Posted : Feb 16, 2009 02:25
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On 2009-02-15 21:27, kaos wrote:
instead of listening to the full on progressive sleeping for me music that some of old school projects evolved to i prefer to listen what you call "dark"...dark is sth with no light..i listen these groups you call "dark"..and i see full colours..am i crazy?
liberte pour palestine
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No, you are not crazy for seeing colours, or seeing "kuklous" 
I don't care what people call it. I also do not think its dark at all...proper dark psychedelic trance for me, is a tune like One Way LTD. I use the word dark because that is how the people that listen to this stuff, call it. I'll call it whatever you guys wanna call it, I just won't call it psychedelic trance because there are no elements of psychedelia in it...actually there are elements of psychedelia in it, but they are in the form of a bad trip, similar bad trip to the one you get from israeli full on...and although we all have good and bad experiences in life and they both teach us many things about our selves, I prefer the good ones, thank you very much. 
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Posted : Feb 16, 2009 12:01
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best album in psychedelic trance ever made imho
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about the "dark" name for the fast music a lot of good artists play in Greece, i still cannot name it like that, i mean Dark Elf is sounding tribal whereas Orestis has that gothic-middle age sounds and others play aggressive music at that bpm which is not at all "psychedelic" just neurotic, other great artists like Derango are into the forests sounds, Kindzadza is always fixing that fucking broken modem  all the time .. I really like that in the anyway "dark" scene that good artists still distinct between others and have their image and their place to take you, where a lot of "cheesy" sound the same...
And again i could and have listened to the greek "dark" power lots of times but i find that this music is so dedicated to forest gatherings or festivals than a club
(cant wait for Aurora for that case!!)
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Anyway coming to the topic again there are indeed good artists in Greece but i really cannot compare ever the best, or worldwide recognized Wizzy Noise with Tristan for example, even there its another category, few people have managed to "beat" their "teachers" cause some of these "teachers" still rock the dancefloor and follow the evolution with their "pioneer" way ...
And everybody want to taste what the chef suggests
@Jedi
you cannot bring me a good DJ to replace the presence of any Tristan, Frank-e etc , their vibe and everything related with their aspect, no matter how good he/she is and im not against greek artists, i love to see people creative and i love to see the scene in Greece to grow up and have more and great trance produced and this will become little by little reality as pipes said. ive attended a lot of parties in polytechnoupoli where most of the artists and djs you mentioned have played, and support the parties there too and weve had good times and will listen again to them when there will be something interesting event,, but your words are like to make events with small djs and artists to replace those big names we see once or twice a year and we adore them.. unacceptable
this is aparadekton
take a close listening how the real psychedelic music sounds and what the pioneer of madness suggests.. 
http://www.qsl.net/sv2ael/veggos/sound/mousiki.mp3
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Jedi_knight
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Posted : Feb 16, 2009 13:37
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@Gutter:
What is this tune? A bad joke?
Anyway i cannot bring ANY dj because i am not a party organizer.
I say my point of view which is not absolute...
We can have both kind of events with "big" foreigner stars and "small" local heroes but not in the same day and not in a frequency where we must spend 10 years to realize that we have also stars!!!
Also "big" or "small" is a matter of music taste and not a matter of inches or meters as 'Kaos' mentioned...
The important thing is to maintain proper our "house" in order not to "collapse" on our "heads"...
As for Tristan and Frank-e every time there is a packet full of money they will come... You will not lose them for ever...
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kaos
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Posted : Feb 16, 2009 13:38
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[quote]actually there are elements of psychedelia in it, but they are in the form of a bad trip
this explains it all..no hard feelings brother but this is the reason the music i listen to is called dark...cause some people cant stand it and are having a bad trip ..i feel sorry for them..i have to remind you also that at 1996 when stavros from england was playing tristan and process tracks some people they were calling him a satanist or also kox box rmx of slinky wizard-the wizard..deedrah -the wizard demo...
because people have this bad habitt everything that they dont understand they accuse it..ok i dont want to change your mind i just say true facts..
bom bom
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kaos
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Posted : Feb 16, 2009 13:42
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'I believe with the advent of acid. We discovered new ways to think and it has to do with piecing together new thoughts of mind. Why is it that people are so afraid of it? What is it about it that scares people so deeply? Because they are afraid that there is more to reality than they have ever confronted. That there are doors that they are afraid to go in and they don't want us to go in there either because if we go in, there we might learn something that they don't know. And that makes us a little out of their control.'
From 'The Beyond Within: The Rise and Fall of LSD' (BBC documentary, 1987)
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Posted : Feb 16, 2009 13:54
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no its veggos tune to calm things down, and far far a great psychedelic tune ..
if you consider this a bad joke, then you are really nervous Jedi im sorry
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i agree with that, but again it makes me wonder cause tristan especially is from the boys that really never had the need of money, cause they had plenty.. another great reason for being cool and make only music in your life and have fun
about big or small, famous or not etc etc its just a definition of someones publicity or acceptance, something you use for many things in life but deny to accept it in this occasion now with the trance artists
we dont play word games Jedi and yes these people have big kahunas for talking their amazingly crafted sound to another level, same goes for every artist that made that in his life
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Jedi_knight
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