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Jedi_knight
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Posted : Feb 14, 2009 08:59
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AGnostIC
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Posted : Feb 14, 2009 09:37
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first i want to say this: the topic from my friend jedi is detected not only for support the greek scene,but to make our minds open and try to see how we can keep the scene alive in greece.i have contacts with many djs and promoters,some of theme have played in greece.when we start the convertation everybody ask me about greek artist like Orestis,Drury nevil,Dark elf and more,says the same think,that we have a very good names ( artists ) in greece and we dont promoter theme inside and outside.
this Fight against Detox and Jdi is unusfull cause there is no reason for that.
keep the scene alive!
one good ( my opinion ) artist
http://www.myspace.com/djsishiva
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Tasos_NOtrea
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Posted : Feb 14, 2009 11:54
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Jedi from the list of greek artists and djs that you mentioned... It's promising to see so many projects and djs from our country,of course there are more and better than them around.Personally I am not interesting to listen the most of them..Maybe you will ask "Why?Why you don't support the local scene?".You see there are many people who are not happy even with the just good music.. they just need the best and the highest quality,and they don''t have a reason to go in a party and spend money just to "support the scene". So about your list I would prefer to give my money to listen Greg on Earth or Deviant Species than all the greek dark artists you mention or I would prefer to listen Perfect Stranger,Sensient or Son Kite than the greek progressive acts you mention..I am negative not because I have to deal with greeks - many say "he is a greek?I won't listen him he sucks! " I am not into that thing - but because the high quality is missing.So from the list I could count on Wizzy Noise,Doc,Alchemix who gained a global attension since his unbelievable track released on Neurobiotic compilation,Disco Hooligans,when I listened some tracks in their myspace a couple of months ago I realy got impressed and Dj Sotokkan,maybe haven't listened him as a dj but I count on him since he is an important part of Direct Connection which I realy like  and perhaps Zen Garden with their amazing live acts.Of course there is more greek power which hasn't been mentioned..
www.myspace.com/tasos_notrea
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Nectarios
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Posted : Feb 14, 2009 15:05
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On 2009-02-13 22:40, DETOX wrote:
So what you are saying is that for the next event instead of booking Frank'e and Deedrah a promoter should book Predators,Alchemix and Disco Hooligans (i can see Pipe&Slippers laughing already in the backround)
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It would make the difference between being a really good promoter, to being the best promoter in Greece 
Anyway, on a more serious note, without wanting to sound anti-Greek, only Wizzy Noise are worth mentioning from that list if we wanna call it like it is.
They are the only guys that have broken out and gained some global respect and rightly so, their old stuff was really good.
Yes there are more Greek people making tunes than one would have thought so, but we are nothing compared to the big boys from the UK for example.
I don't want to make it sound like some sort of a competition, as music is not about "winning", but its not realistic to compare the names on that list with the names that inspired us, gave us religious experiences on the dancefloor, and finally had such an impact in our lives that we decided we want to make music as well.
Just think about it, how many Greek tunes does a big name DJ from abroad, play during a set? That should give you a clue about where we truly are.
But its not something to get disappointed about, its just that, although parties were taking pace from the mid '90s in Greece, we simply took a while before we really got things started...with the exception of Wizzy Noise obviously.
But things are warming up. There are new people, doing production courses, saving up all their cash so they can get some equipment and generally seem to really love the music. The seed of the flower has been dropped, we just need some time to pass for it to flourish.
And that is what I personally think. Thinking from a promoter's point of view, you really need two big names if you are going to justify the price at the door that will cover a big venue where people feel like they are human beings, instead of sardines. And correct me if I am wrong but there are more dark trance parties with local dark trance artists playing, than the monthly party that will include the big psy-trance artists, from abroad.
So again, I do not think there is an issue here.
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smorphelia8
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Posted : Feb 14, 2009 15:24
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pipe slippers quote:
"Just think about it, how many Greek tunes does a big name DJ from abroad, play during a set? That should give you a clue about where we truly are.
dj Jirzij (member of irgum burgum and owner of psybaba records and party promoter)..maye not well known in greece...but this dude played all over..Boom, Ozora, FullMoon..and parties in canada, italy, germany etc etc etc.... In his dj set (at times) you can find several greek tunes... Orestis and Stranger....just to name 2...are defenately well confirmed talents on the darker psy part of the scene...
if u r talking about the "full on" part of the scene..well ..yes we only know wizzy noise...
otherwise..there are lots of ass kicking greek projects
ciao ciao
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Nectarios
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Posted : Feb 14, 2009 15:28
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I have no clue who dj Jirzij is or psybaba records are.
I have checked lots of Greek dark trance artist's myspaces though so its not like just because a record label includes the word "baba" or an artist includes the word "dark/Horror" in their names, and I immediately assume its going to be shite. I too was intrigued to see what this whole fuss was about, when people were mentioning Greek artists in that scene.
But, I don't like dark trance and I don't like full on.
I like psychedelic trance.
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Black_Sun
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Posted : Feb 14, 2009 15:46
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im sure that are many many great greek artist as for dark elf even if i dont like so much the dark psy music im sure that he is not a small name heh and is very good to hear him even if you have invite osom before im sure that polyphonia dark elf orestis and tromos and for sure drury is an amazing line up for any promoter.. heh and as for ace ventura and atmos m8 i prefer to hear progenitor or infinity you know that are greek artist right?and killer ofcourse heh and an other good artist is ridden harmonia rec anyway thats all folcs www.myspace.com/rideen >psytrance www.myspace.com/infinityprogenitor>killer psyprogressive for any promoter who need money for karate lessons boom bolenath and peace.. |
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Nectarios
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Posted : Feb 14, 2009 15:48
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One more thing I want to add...consider our selves lucky, we are taking out time with this whole thing, but at least we are not like the israeli full on scene. Remember what happened when Astrix, Domestic and all them guys came out? 1000 different clones. Not only did it "spoil" their scene, it was like a plague spreading on a Global scale. I got sick and tired of Israeli line ups in London, every fucking week (which was ultimately a good thing as I discovered the Stay Up Forever squat parties with DAVE The Drummer, The liberator brother...etc).
Listen to the new Cosmos album by the Predators, then listen to some Pause tunes, then some Conwerter tunes, then some Alchemix tunes, then play an old Wizzy Noise CD.
All these guys have a very distinct sound and they are going out towards all directions.
"To kalo pragma argei na ginei" but I definitely think we are on the right course. 
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Catastrof2012
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Posted : Feb 14, 2009 15:55
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On 2009-02-11 23:09, pipe&slippers wrote:
I don't think there is any trance artist from Greece that comes close to the likes of Kox Box, Tristan, Dado, MWNN, X-Dream, Bamboo Forest, Etnica...to name but a few.
But as Virava said, we have to cultivate the scene for that to change.
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Like a live set or like a dj set?
And even for their live sets so what?
Do i have to go to listen to their new cd for a 1 1/2 hour show every time they come to promote it?
Even if the artists you mentioned come for 2 or 3 times per year?
Why spend a lot of money to listent to it instead of buying it?
And what if the last album of the artists you mentioned isn't so good?
Do you thing that he won't promote it?
Do you thing that he is going to play something else?
And after the 1 1/2 hour show what happens?
Just asking (even myself)...
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sure we don't have such big names in our country,except Wizzy,who are playing in global festivals,but there are many greeks dj's that playing so good set's,with music tastes for everyone.It's not a solution not to go to big parties with big names.How else we will support the scene and keep it alive....My opinion is that if you can afford a party,you go.If the "big name" play shit and you have a bad time wait for the next artist to play.....perhaps you will have a good time with his set or live.if not....then the party,for yours taste and opinion,was shit....What do you do?you go to your house and ta...spas,with the music you want.
Then you thing....That another time the X "big name" has disapointed you....What next?You give him a big "X" and don't support him next time.You go later to the party he plays,so you won't listen to him,or you live at the time he will play....We are lucky that we have orgs that they can afford to bring,at least 2 "big-good" names and it's up to our wisdom to choose what we will attend
this is my opinion.....a part....
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xrust
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Posted : Feb 14, 2009 15:56
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guys you have fall into a vicius circle and keep repeating the same things.at least most of you.YES we have some very good hellenic artists .YES goa gill plays many greek tracks in his sets too.some other guys also play greeek tracks in their sets. and some people like it,some others dont.when it comes to music,everything is sooooo relative....
even more,when it comes to GOING TO A PARTY AND HAVE FUN,then thing become even more relative....way too many factors in the way (mood,psychology,friends,vibes,multi-vitamine kits etc).this discussion can go on and on and on for ages
my humble opinion is that MUSIC IS GLOBAL.
maybe the next big thing in psytrance comes from cayman islands,or even vatican hehhehe
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Posted : Feb 14, 2009 15:57
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On 2009-02-14 15:46, Black_Sun wrote:
im sure that are many many great greek artist as for dark elf even if i dont like so much the dark psy music im sure that he is not a small name heh and is very good to hear him even if you have invite osom before im sure that polyphonia dark elf orestis and tromos and for sure drury is an amazing line up for any promoter.. heh and as for ace ventura and atmos m8 i prefer to hear progenitor or infinity you know that are greek artist right?and killer ofcourse heh and an other good artist is ridden harmonia rec anyway thats all folcs http://www.myspace.com/rideen >psytrance http://www.myspace.com/infinityprogenitor>killer psyprogressive for any promoter who need money for karate lessons boom bolenath and peace..
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I bet you that if you had all of them Greek artists line up in a party where you had to charge 30euros at the door and need about 700 PAYING party goers to break even for a big club, artist fees, sound...etc, you'd be in for a lot of cash and it would take a while before you could raise the cash for the next party.
I don't care if people think I am sucking up to 220 Volts. I know Thanash and we've had talks about this whole thing a few times.
Its easy to point the finger at the one who is receiving the door price, but its not easy putting your money where your mouth is and actually make these parties happen. I'd like to see all the people that "know better" put up such a party if it was so easy to do, but I don't see anyone doing it. Why is that?
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Posted : Feb 14, 2009 16:06
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On 2009-02-14 15:56, xrust wrote:
guys you have fall into a vicius circle and keep repeating the same things.at least most of you.YES we have some very good hellenic artists .YES goa gill plays many greek tracks in his sets too.some other guys also play greeek tracks in their sets. and some people like it,some others dont.when it comes to music,everything is sooooo relative....
even more,when it comes to GOING TO A PARTY AND HAVE FUN,then thing become even more relative....way too many factors in the way (mood,psychology,friends,vibes,multi-vitamine kits etc).this discussion can go on and on and on for ages
my humble opinion is that MUSIC IS GLOBAL.
maybe the next big thing in psytrance comes from cayman islands,or even vatican hehhehe
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Agreed that mood is a deciding factor (especially multi-vitmain kits  ), but in the context of this conversation, we are not falling in a vicious circle, now that the heated debate is over.
Some crucial points about Greek artists, have been raised, which big name DJs play their tunes and which parties they play at around the world. Your reputation on a global scale, is THE deciding factor for playing more gigs at home as well.
Some new up and coming Greek acts, do warm up for the big names in Greek parties and it is the best way to get their music known across Greece.
But, breaking out of Greek parties and "convincing" people that put up big festivals to have Greek projects warming up for say, Tristan, takes a lot more than being mates with the promoter.
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Catastrof2012
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Posted : Feb 14, 2009 16:10
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On 2009-02-14 15:56, xrust wrote:
guys you have fall into a vicius circle and keep repeating the same things.at least most of you.YES we have some very good hellenic artists .YES goa gill plays many greek tracks in his sets too.some other guys also play greeek tracks in their sets. and some people like it,some others dont.when it comes to music,everything is sooooo relative....
even more,when it comes to GOING TO A PARTY AND HAVE FUN,then thing become even more relative....way too many factors in the way (mood,psychology,friends,vibes,multi-vitamine kits etc).this discussion can go on and on and on for ages
my humble opinion is that MUSIC IS GLOBAL.
maybe the next big thing in psytrance comes from cayman islands,or even vatican hehhehe
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totally agree!!!and the taste of music for someone is totally different of someone else .Music taste Is Global!!!!For example...Last party in Athens,with Dino and Logic....I enjoy very much Logic's Live but I was disapointed With Dino's Live....But there were many people Who Enjoy till Hell Dino's live...It's not fair to say to everyone that Dino's live was crap!For me it was....But only for me.....and someone who believe the same....Not for everyone...
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AGnostIC
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Posted : Feb 14, 2009 17:11
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On 2009-02-14 15:24, smorphelia8 wrote:
pipe slippers quote:
"Just think about it, how many Greek tunes does a big name DJ from abroad, play during a set? That should give you a clue about where we truly are.
dj Jirzij (member of irgum burgum and owner of psybaba records and party promoter)..maye not well known in greece...but this dude played all over..Boom, Ozora, FullMoon..and parties in canada, italy, germany etc etc etc.... In his dj set (at times) you can find several greek tunes... Orestis and Stranger....just to name 2...are defenately well confirmed talents on the darker psy part of the scene...
if u r talking about the "full on" part of the scene..well ..yes we only know wizzy noise...
otherwise..there are lots of ass kicking greek projects
ciao ciao
this time Dark elf is in italy for a tour by the way... 
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Tasos_NOtrea wrote:
Jedi from the list of greek artists and djs that you mentioned... It's promising to see so many projects and djs from our country,of course there are more and better than them around.Personally I am not interesting to listen the most of them..Maybe you will ask "Why?Why you don't support the local scene?".You see there are many people who are not happy even with the just good music.. they just need the best and the highest quality,and they don''t have a reason to go in a party and spend money just to "support the scene". So about your list I would prefer to give my money to listen Greg on Earth or Deviant Species than all the greek dark artists you mention or I would prefer to listen Perfect Stranger,Sensient or Son Kite than the greek progressive acts you mention..I am negative not because I have to deal with greeks - many say "he is a greek?I won't listen him he sucks! " I am not into that thing - but because the high quality is missing.So from the list I could count on Wizzy Noise,Doc,Alchemix who gained a global attension since his unbelievable track released on Neurobiotic compilation,Disco Hooligans,when I listened some tracks in their myspace a couple of months ago I realy got impressed and Dj Sotokkan,maybe haven't listened him as a dj but I count on him since he is an important part of Direct Connection which I realy like and perhaps Zen Garden with their amazing live acts.Of course there is more greek power which hasn't been mentioned..
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mate whow many times you was on privete party with some of those names and it was absolut magic?for my opinion for mysalfe is that is many times with that names who gives to me the music that i'm waiting to hear and they gaves the most powerfull dj or live set 100% precent pure,timeright,just perfect!even the artist was dark tunes or full on or psychedelic tunes .( i dont want this tables )the most of as have being throung parties like that and hope u undertand the feeling...so,why not to promoter theme?cauce is public and we thing that them performance will be fake,or "top hits" thats someone said?no its wrong..  |
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Jedi_knight
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