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Jedi_knight
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Posted : Feb 13, 2009 16:39
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This is my point of view of course!!!
I would like to know yours...
Important notice:
This discussion has nothing to do about a specific party organizer or a party team.
It goes to ALL!!!!
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How the hell you connect this topic with the 220volts event????
I want the common people to participate, to inform, to answer....
Why do i have to talk with Detox lawyers???
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Jedi_knight
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Posted : Feb 13, 2009 16:47
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On 2009-02-13 15:15, virava wrote:
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On 2009-02-13 13:16, xrust wrote:
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On 2009-02-13 03:27, virava wrote:
mr.xrust as a third person (unconditional) and moderator of this forum i think you are the good person to ask my obvious question: with which words did jedi insulted detox?
we must be the loonatics, that we cannot understand where this happened.
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when jedi provided tha label links,detox was kind enough to answer to jedi with info and details about the labels.in a polite and respectfull way.and then jedi answered "if you could see behind your fingers",something that i find quite rude.cleaR?
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no, not clear at all mate. first of all detox's post wasn t only to describe the situation in greece, but to show (his personal opinion) that we do not have much labelsm, appart from that, his reference to two of the labels was finally wrong after your info.
secondly, and most important, jedi answered back saying that if you could see behind these (less than five) labels that remain from your analysis, you would see we have supreme artists in greece.
and you want to convince me that this phrase insults detox, and detox's post saying that he would have beaten jedi if he had the opportunity, is all right?..
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EXACTLY what i mean....
Thank God someone understand it...
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Nectarios
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Posted : Feb 13, 2009 17:00
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On 2009-02-13 16:39, Jedi_knight wrote:
How the hell you connect this topic with the 220volts event????
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Cause you went there, you did not like Dino's set, you really liked Docs set.
Then you went on saying how Dino does not give a fuck about the people and all that, taht his music really sucks, invented the new genre "psaradelic pop" (that was funny actually), puked a few times on the screen, you wanted some answers from Dino or whoever it was you thought was responsible for the music you heard, yetdid not like.
Came up with the "star system" and that we should not be suckered into it.
Started this topic about the real deal comparing greek artists and foreign ones, posted some very inaccurate stuff about DJs and what they play, asked for some info, got some info, went on the ironic tip when you received the info you asked for...and when you get called up on the stuff you've been posting, you pull back and get all defensive.
I don't care if you have a personal agenda with detox or anyone else, but like I said, lets just cut the crap and say what we really mean.
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Jedi_knight
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Posted : Feb 13, 2009 17:27
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Again the same connections...
Please READ my first post...
Anyway all i want to say is that we can have an amazing party with only the local power and with no quests!!!
But all the people have to help for it.
Because when in the same day there are happening
1 or 2 different massive parties with star quests we devide the people and we create a star trap that even the most expert in this scene can't avoid it...
Let me tell you an example:
Armin Van Buuren came in Greece last week at Venue.
The table reservation was 300e (!!!) with a bottle of champagne and only half boys half girls (the same number) got in...
The people didn't realy enjoy it because of these things.
I believe that they could have done a better party even with you Pipe & Slipers.
That's what i am saying...
Generaly speaking and without money making intentions...
We can have real FUN!!!
Also there are a lot of people that love this scene but they don't have the money to afford expensive events.
Not only for the ticket price but also because of the drinks prices...
Don't these funs have the right to participate???
And we have (in Greece) music solutions ready for every ear!!!
p.s.: The Armin Van Buuren example is in order to avoid further connections...
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DETOX
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Posted : Feb 13, 2009 19:00
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Jedi Knight i have no lawyers,this is an open forum and everyone can participate in every discussion,if xrust (who i have never met) and Pipe&Slippers (who i met for the first time one month ago and have spoke with him for 15 minutes in total) are my lawyers then i guess Virava can also be considered as your lawyer according to your way of thinking.
If thats the case then you better get a better lawyer because Virava couldnt even understand where you insulted me so i doubt he will be a lot of help to you.
Now get serious because calling someone else to be someone's lawyer is a degrading comment.
And to finish with this foreign guests and local artists discussion,i believe that each even must feature both greek and foreign artists,you believe that it should have only greek artists well you can then start doing your own events just with greek artists and stop complaining about what other people do.
Personally i cant think of more than 8-10 greek djs/artists and groups that worth mentioning.Thats my personal opinion ofcourse and noone is obliged to aggree with it like i am also not obliged to aggree with someones different opinion.
By the way you speak about many greek artists and djs but in the last 8 years that i am involved with the parties i dont remember more than 5-6 people giving me a cd to listen to their work and ask me to release something or book them for one of the upcoming events.Where in the heck are all these worth mentioning artists you are talking about?Where are these music solutions you are talking about?
As about the people that cant afford to attend an event then simply these people can do something else that night and visit a future event or visit no event at all if they dont like or they dont want to attend such an event.
We do one event every month and we announce it 3 weeks in advance so i guess that everyone can gather the money needed to attend such an event during these three weeks if he really wants to attend it.
And just to let you know on every event a lot of people come and say to me personally at the door that they cant afford the full entrance fee and i always allow them to enter for less money because i understand their situation and i am not an asshole to reject someone to enter a party just because he is missing 5-10 euros.
Everybody has the right to have fun and visit every party but parties are not non profit organisations and artists and clubs dont offer their services for free so a promoter is obliged to charge an entrance fee so that he can at least break even in the end of the night.If artists/clubs/sound providers/printers and radio stations didnt ask us money for their services then we would make one big free party every weekend for everyone to attend and have fun but i cant see this happening in the near future so till then we stick with our one big event a month.
P.S The table at AVB event was 360 euros for 6 persons which reached 600 euros on the door for reasons i am not going to mention here.
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Jedi_knight
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Posted : Feb 13, 2009 21:20
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Posted : Feb 13, 2009 22:01
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DETOX
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Posted : Feb 13, 2009 22:40
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So what you are saying is that for the next event instead of booking Tristan and Shane Gobi a promoter should book Infected Fairy,Viktor,Athanasaikos and DJ Agnostic and after that instead of booking Atmos and Ace Ventura a promoter should book Krama,Drone,Stiv Sai and Atropa and after that instead of booking Frank'e and Deedrah a promoter should book Predators,Alchemix and Disco Hooligans (i can see Pipe&Slippers laughing already in the backround) and that for the last event instead of booking Kindzandza and Psykovsky a promoter should book my good friend Dark Elf,Jyro and Stranger.
Is that what you are saying?
Your opinion is understood and respected.
Now do you want to ask the rest of the forum the same questions and see what they will answer?
Even the artists you mentioned dont believe that are supreme from the majority of foreign artists (except Pipe&Slippers who believes that he can teach Ian Ion a lesson or two LOL) because their heads are inside their brains and they have respect for people who are more years in the scene than they are and have proven themselves on countless events and festivals around the world.
P.S 1 The names mentioned (both foreign and local) are just random.
P.S 2 When i say foreign artists i dont mean young kids from Israel who produce music 6 months but artists who are already established in the scene with personal albums and various tracks released on various labels.The ones that Jedi Knight considers as a star system....
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virava
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Posted : Feb 13, 2009 23:10
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if you ask me, i would honestly prefer thanasaikos from dino psaras, also dark elf from dark nebula. -_-_-_-_-_-_
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DETOX
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Posted : Feb 14, 2009 00:46
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I intentionally didnt mentioned Dino Psaras here because of his controversial set last weekend in Athens.
I mentioned a lot of other names though but you didnt used any of them Virava.Seems to me that Piper&Slippers is right when he said that this thread started just because Jedi Knight didnt liked Dino's set in Athens and because of that the majority of the things he said in here (star system,artists who dont give a fuck,greeks being the supreme in the scene,dont go to events with foreign djs,etc etc) are innacurate to say the least.
So when we dont personally like the foreign artist we prefer a greek one in his place,when the foreign artist is for example Tristan or Shane Gobi then we forget about the star systems and the supreme greek quality and we go to listen to the UK guys.
Me lene rizo kai opos thelo ta girizo.
Ok we got the message 
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virava
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Posted : Feb 14, 2009 03:53
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i used the names i want, as the names are not the point but the meaning itself, that a greek dj could more easily satisfy the crowd.
i also, for your info, didn t heard psaras' set last week but talked about the style of dino psaras as i ve heard him some years before.
also, the thing is not about racims, it s just that many locals here are better from internationals with 100x fame.
i don think that it is a thing in greeks only  , maybe it happens on other coutries too.
my clue to end with this one:
greek artists, if we treat them seriously, WITH TIME can give to the scene more parties with GOOD music similar OR BETTER than the MOST of the international guests, with cheaper prices.
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DETOX
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Posted : Feb 14, 2009 04:25
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I seriously doubt that a greek dj who has performed in limited events (out of which 90% are in his country Greece) can satisfy more and easier the crowd in comparison to a foreign dj with 5-10 years of experience all around the world from the smallest parties to the biggest festivals on almost a weekly basis.
The foreign dj has more and wider experience,probably better mixing skills,a bigger variety of music collection (concerning the unreleased stuff at least because the released stuff anyone can get in our days) plus he has the extra advantage of stage perfomance because the people always feel better and more exciting in seeing on decks a foreign artist than a local,has to do with psychology i guess and this applies to every country ofcourse because in Brazil a greek dj would be more exciting than even the best local dj.
Also i forgot to mention that greek djs and artists when on a big event with a 1000 people in front of them they get lost and very anxious because they are not used in such situations while the foreign dj feels more relaxed since he is used to such big crowds.
The only minus that foreign djs have is that when they are well known names sometimes they get bored to play after a long series of events or when they are simply not in the mood,a bad day as we can say (tous vrikame stin kaki tous mera pou leme),this is something that rarely happen with the greek djs who are thirsty to play on events because they dont have this opportunity very often and thats why they always try to give out their best perfomance.
In my opinion a foreign dj in his average day is better than 90% of the local artists in Greece because i cant imagine a greek progressive dj/artist that can perform better than Atmos,Emok,Ace Ventura and Perfect Stranger and i also cant imagine a greek psy trance dj/artist that can perform better than Tristan,Shane Gobi,Dado and Frank'e on their average day.By the way a bad day can happen to everyone even to the best artist ever.
Greek artists are on a good level for a country like Greece that has no big history in music production in the psy trance scene but they still need a lot of work to reach the first class names.The only ones that have managed that are Wizzy Noise and this only after a lot of years of hard work and practicing.
This is my personal opinion and i insist that a good party must feature both greek and foreign artists and not just the first or the second.
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virava
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Posted : Feb 14, 2009 04:47
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Posted : Feb 14, 2009 06:21
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Detox has 2 strong points in his opinion here although our opinions are usually different:1)The crowd that gets more excited from a foreign dj cause of the psychology or whatever you call it.Very true especially for us that we were always funs of whatever Europe or anything except Greece offered us (history shows thats as well)
2)The recipe of a good party is good greek dj/artist in combination with dj/artist from other country also very true and logical imo.
I , like Detox think that DJs/Artists here have quite some road to walk to reach the others for the fact that
1)they dont perform as much and in so many different countries
2)i dont know many with actual knowledge in a wide variety of physical instruments (thats a major part in my opinion)
3)even me that i am a fun of the dark side of this music from the years that goa or psy and dark was something like a blasphemy iam fed up from the majority of greek artists that are on the same "dark gabba" or industrial wannabe tempo which is boring and like i say poly baboura gia to tipota.
Conclusion experience and more experiments in their sound will finally get them at the level they should be cause they can thats for sure.Thats ofcourse my opinion
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Jedi_knight
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Posted : Feb 14, 2009 07:34
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@Detox & Nyarlathotep:
I suggest to you to listen to the "Fisherman's Friend" from my friend Viktor : http://www.myspace.com/viktoronmyspace 
@Detox: You said that nobody gave a cd to you to hear it but there is a lot of great music in the links i wrote.   
You can do a search there if you want. 
Also don't take everything personal! 
I just love the Greek scene! 
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