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Lux
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Posted : Nov 3, 2004 13:09
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Basically a dj set should be a story with a beginning and an end. It must have a plot and take you somewhere and not leave you in the middle of nowhere.
So, it is quite simple really...
Nice smooth start with cool intro and then you start building up the set with small brakes in between. Of course everything depends from the reaction of the people on the dancefloor.
That should do it more or less.
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Krell
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Posted : Nov 3, 2004 13:53
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To Basilisk.:
"Panick - Teriyki Terror. "
I agree, thats a great opening track as well - I like the intro a lot  The rest of the track also rocks IMO.
However, I myself like it later in a set, since theres so much going on
More Panick for the people
I used TRISTAN VS DIMITRI D.K.N. "Le chat de Iespace rmx" also not long time ago - mostly because of the beat being audible early on and then it deepens and becomes something you can dance to.
*more smiles*
Krell
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Pointy
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Posted : Nov 3, 2004 17:30
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What you guys are saying here about starting with an intro and creating a story, applies for me to the whole night and not to the set of one DJ.
Imo it is very disruptive for the flow of a party as a whole, when every DJ wants to tell a different story, especially when they are changeing every 2-3 hours.
I experience it as negative for the dance experience, get disturbed by it. And to start with an intro in the middle of the night, is imo only good for the DJ that wants to get noticed and that is for me not what a trance party is about.
Imo the DJ who starts the party should begin with an intro and the perfect start for all the others playing is, when you don't notice, that the DJ has changed and it is a continuation of the story that got written by the others before.
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Krell
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Posted : Nov 3, 2004 22:00
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Hi there Pointy
Id like the honor of commenting on your post - If I may ?
Quote Pointy "What you guys are saying here about starting with an intro and creating a story, applies for me to the whole night and not to the set of one DJ."
Yeah, perfectly, the music over the whole night will have some kind of relation to each other. Sadly, thats often not the case at all - many a dj will arrive, play his set and leave, or arrive not long before he plays his set... :-/ Also, live acts often have it all planned out with little flexiblity.
I think, in order to really accomplish this, it would need the djs to communicate their track selections before hand, or at least know each others styles/be at the party from start to end. Shit, its not even uncommon for DJs to play the same track twice here. DISASTER heh.
If we refer to the musical aspects of a party as being a story, I would say every Djs set represents another chapter in that story... Its normal, when a chapter ends and another chapter begins that theres some kind of spacing At the very least, it represents some kind of break of shift in the story, more than what can be achieved from using a comma, slash or paragraph.
Actually, the way I like it is, that when you get to a new set, the music will change slightly... Not alot as if it were a completely different story, but juuuust enough to justify a new chapter in the story.
This is also a lot easier, when using a longer intro (1-2 minuttes, perhaps more, depending on whether there is beats in the intro or not) - Since, when you listen you will be more open to a slightly different style once the beats come back (Im just talking trance here).
Quote Pointy "Imo it is very disruptive for the flow of a party as a whole, when every DJ wants to tell a different story, especially when they are changeing every 2-3 hours."
Do you mean you prefer beat mixing over just intro/outro fading ? An intro is still part of the music, and as such why would it be disruptive to the flow of a party ? I mean, if the music is the story, then anything that is the music must therefore be a part of the story.
I (and most of us maybe?) are talking 1-2minute intros, not your 15minute voov opening seance However, this is also why I put alot of emphasis on that its a good intro, because if it isnt great people will loose touch with the music.
Quote Pointy "I experience it as negative for the dance experience, get disturbed by it. And to start with an intro in the middle of the night, is imo only good for the DJ that wants to get noticed and that is for me not what a trance party is about."
Well - Taking away energy creates a vacuum, once this vacuum is released it can create a sence of more energy... Many tracks do this as well, quiet breaks inside tracks for instance.... Quite normal. Mixing, for me, is about making the musik flow together seamlessly, emulating the nature of the music being mixed. I would say, using a lot of outro->intro mixing would be dull for the dancers, however, I dont see it as a problem that there is one outro->intro mix every 1 hour as long as its a really good intro.
Also, using an intro mix is really good for creating a contrast - If you have persued some kind of aggressive melodic or chaotic track, you can let it dissolve itself, all while a NEW and different sound slowly comes into the mix. Softening the ears:-)
It has nothing to do with being noticed (I can say that with certainty in my voice, since I do not like attention IRL - its only here on the net Im an attention whore hehe) - What it does have something to do with is making people focus, and to enhance the effect of the beats once they re-emerge.
For me, it would be both easier to beatmix everything, as well as Id have to be less worried about the Psysnobs(TM) pointing out that "baaah, its just a fade mix, my grandmother can do that". I would say, it takes courage to do this, and its also difficult to know when to do it. (surely, theres also djs using this technique because they know no better)
Quote Pointy "Imo the DJ who starts the party should begin with an intro and the perfect start for all the others playing is, when you don't notice, that the DJ has changed and it is a continuation of the story that got written by the others before."
Basicly, Im just saying what I prefer and how I usually do things. Its really up to the DJ to make up his own mind Im sure all would agree on. Using an intro, doesnt not mean stopping the music - it just means playing the intro of a track, or something specifically prepared for its energy building characteristics. Its up to the DJ to use the approriate intro in any given situation, I for one, would probably not appreciate anything lenghty (over 3-4 minuttes, which didnt flow PERFECTLY into both the ending track of the last DJ and into the first track of the next DJs set)
TRISTAN VS DIMITRI D.K.N. "Le chat de Iespace rmx" I used about a month ago, and it involved beats with the low frequencies cut off early in the intro, untill the low frequencies finally kick in.. The DJ spinning before me, knew what tracks I would be playing, and I had choosen this track among many reasons because he would be able to peak his set towards the end (hes not really into playing slow stuff) - and I would still be able to build upon it and change the flow of the party into a style of full on that was still slightly differerent from his (but still creating a cohesive flow music wise from his to my set).
It was a 2½ hour set, and later (about 1 1/4 hour into the set), I used another intro mix in order to facilitate a change in style into something more melodic/fluffy:-)
This worked quite well, judging from the audience, it was for me clear that the absence of a beat, created the expectation of one, this made a build up of energy possible, which again made it possible to change the musics attitude/sound without loosing the thread that was to guide people thru the experience/story.
What do you think ? Its full on, you would probably have left anyway hehehe.
*smiles*
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Gilad Refael
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Posted : Nov 4, 2004 00:57
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Gilad Refael
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Posted : Nov 4, 2004 00:58
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i hate it when dj's start with a track which the beat comes quickly in (that's what usually happens)
i think a set should have a 1-3 min intro
of course i'm talking about the first and second sets. after that the music should go on more or less...
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Pointy
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Posted : Nov 4, 2004 13:21
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Hej Krell, nice to meet you again
I know that my idea of creating a journey through the whole night is very difficult to realize, the way parties are organized nowadays and that it rarely happens, that the organizer and the DJs who are going to play talk together before the party.
I am speaking from the dancefloor perspective and of course it's only my own point of view.
On the dancefloor I experience time very differently. 2minutes can become very long and the other way around 2hours can pass by like ten minutes, too.
What I am trying to say is, that what you call a short intro might seem lenghthy to me and the 2 hours until it happens again, might seem extremely short, so I would end up loosing the flow and experiencing it as disruptive.
For my taste a break in a track is enough to make me excited about the beat comeing back in again.
When you look at the dancefloor, you must notice that there are always lot's of people stopping to dance when the DJ changes and that lot's of others start suddenly danceing. People already made their descision "nah, that guy sucks I'm not gonna dance when he's playing", or "yeah, he's great sure I will rock during his set".
Of course it has to do with the style of music somebody plays, but also with other factors.
I think that there are few DJs that think about this subject in such an eloquent way as you do. From my experience it is mostly about getting attention, so the people know it's "you" playing now. Imo it's not only about the music.
You wrote, that a book has also got chapters, which are more of a break than a comma or dot.
That is true, but not every chapter starts with a built up again, usually it goes right in there.
I think I would also get bored with a book that was written in a way where every chapter goes through built up, climax, descent.
Love&Light
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Pointy
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Posted : Nov 4, 2004 13:29
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Ahh...and the thing with the intro also being part of the track and that it therefore also belongs to the story...that is imo only true for the track as such.
The art of the DJ is to write a longer story, using given elements....or something like that.
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Krell
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Posted : Nov 4, 2004 14:01
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To Pointy
The great thing about this is that there is really no right or wrong.
I think, what you describe I wouldnt mind - In effect, I also think intros are very different.. Like, some are just ambient noise while others use breaks and such... Its a matter of djing skills and experience how you use them / whether they will be disruptive or not.
If you didnt notice it, you wouldnt mind it Im guessing hehe
The first and last track in a dj set is special to me - but seen from a perspective where ones perception engulf the entire party, and not just one djs set they do nothing but mark the beginning and end of each djs contribution.
If we were to create dj sets all the same, it would become quite boring and predictable for sure:)
Surprises I like - I once mixed some country western music into a truely psychedelic set hehe, sounded funny. I dont think they will be doing that at VooV or anything simlilar anytime soon (but then again, the DJ sets there are quite predictable - too many toes to step on)
Theres beauty and strength in diversity I think
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djparanormal
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Posted : Nov 4, 2004 15:59
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hey guys great goin man
specially pointy and krel
although i some wht agree with wht krel had to say..
peace n respect
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full_on
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Posted : Nov 5, 2004 20:07
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On 2004-11-03 12:24, ramshard wrote:
triptych - celtych...
perfect way to start a set:)
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100% confirmed! 
Respect!
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SoNiC B0oM
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Posted : Nov 6, 2004 03:41
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Sirius Isness-Psychadelik Love Story... killer vocals and a massive drop 
Exaile-Pitch Shift Case... nice melodies and a bomber of a drop 
Infected Mushroom Shakakwa (vibe tribermx)
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kakha
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Posted : Nov 7, 2004 03:23
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in my opinion a party should start with something not too hard ,but not too happy.
1200 micrograms- maskalin
its really a great pushup start for party.
keep on raving. |
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cybberia
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Posted : Nov 7, 2004 21:21
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Cosma-Non stop
Slow,but powerfull enough to get the party started:)
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aplz
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Posted : Nov 8, 2004 01:53
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Depending on the set, if it was a progressive set, I would most definetly start with Atmos - Raumwelt Signal.
If it were a rather faster set, Syntex - Joy of Sound or even edit Divine Moments of Truth so that the ending can be used as an intro. Guarenteed to get the crowd moving.  |
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