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nobody_3
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Posted : Apr 29, 2003 18:30
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On 2003-04-29 18:24, traveller wrote:
"It's not an untrue fact that if people would buy more music the prices would also go down...."
yeah right..
look how much for example the red hot chilipeppers or eminem albums are selling.. they still cost the same..
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I don't say that all labels and distributors are acting the right way but I am sure that even The Red Chillipepers or Eminem aren't selling as good as they used to.... yet the labels and distributors properly still use just as much money on PR, studiotime and promoting the bands..... (tons and tons of money).
So if The Chilli's sales have dropped let's say 40% (quite realistic) then it's not hard to understand that the label and distributor don't feel like lowering the CD price.
You got to stop looking at music as a non profitable business..... it's an industry like everything else and it need a + on the bottomline to survive....Just as any other business.... comprende??? |
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Ohmem
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Posted : Apr 29, 2003 18:56
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Do you really believe that prices will go down? I don't!
I buy 3 or 4 CDs per month. If the prices go down I'll buy more. But prices of CDs are rising. A CD costs about 15-20 euros in Portugal.
I don't download, because of many things (mainly quality), but I don't point my finger at anyone who does.
I don't believe trance will die because of mp3, but if it does, what about other genres. Do you think Rock will die because of mp3, do you think Britney Spears will desapear? Of course not, it's all about money and I bet the industry will come up with a solution and continue to make big bucks.
Lower the prices, and I bet ppl will prefer to have the originals. |
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Ohmem
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Posted : Apr 29, 2003 18:59
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Do you really believe that prices will go down? I don't!
I buy 3 or 4 CDs per month. If the prices go down I'll buy more. But prices of CDs are rising. A CD costs about 15-20 euros in Portugal.
I don't download, because of many things (mainly quality), but I don't point my finger at anyone who does.
I don't believe trance will die because of mp3, but if it does, what about other genres. Do you think Rock will die because of mp3, do you think Britney Spears will desapear? Of course not, it's all about money and I bet the industry will come up with a solution and continue to make big bucks.
Lower the prices, and I bet ppl will prefer to have the originals. |
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nobody_3
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Posted : Apr 29, 2003 19:08
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I don't believe I KNOW that the prices would drop if people would buy more music..... It's a sure thing when it come to trance labels.. As for major labels I don't know exactly but I am sure they would be much more openminded if people would stop stealing their products !!!
No I don't think any music will die.... because music is a universal language and a nessesarity for people to be entertained.....
But I do belieev that many many artists will die poor if the situation continue.....and there's nothing that tell me it won't !!!
Just give me one solution that would work......
The problem is not the way music is sold or distributed (on the internet or in the physical world).... the problem is people's attitude and moral !!!! |
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Posted : Apr 29, 2003 19:16
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my good friend Koby Shimoni (Subliminal) obviously faced this same problem when he released his 2nd and more popular disc... he came up with a solution that partially helped: there is a new way to protect the files, i dont know exactly what the technology is, but when you try to play via an mp3 player, either ripp it or whatever you simply hear silence... maybe this doesnt stop the elite crackers but it certainly helps.
 "On the other hand, you have different fingers."
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nobody_3
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Posted : Apr 29, 2003 19:16
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Lower the prices, and I bet ppl will prefer to have the originals.
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I am quite sure that even if a CD was 1 Euro people would still steal music if they could save that 1 Euro !!! |
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Posted : Apr 29, 2003 19:17
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I am quite sure that even if a CD was 1 Euro people would still steal music if they could save that 1 Euro !!!
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WRONG!
"On the other hand, you have different fingers."
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nobody_3
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Posted : Apr 29, 2003 19:20
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On 2003-04-29 19:16, Berserx wrote:
my good friend Koby Shimoni (Subliminal) obviously faced this same problem when he released his 2nd and more popular disc... he came up with a solution that partially helped: there is a new way to protect the files, i dont know exactly what the technology is, but when you try to play via an mp3 player, either ripp it or whatever you simply hear silence... maybe this doesnt stop the elite crackers but it certainly helps.
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Yeah it is possibe to do it but as you mention about the "elite hackers" the problem still remain the same as soon as the elite mp3 mafia crack the CD's....and they will.... Then the music is out on the internet free for all to download......all over again....
yes some amatures wont be able to burn the Cd's but they will still be able to record the music from a CD player into their computer and then burn the tracks for friends and so on..... The protection is still considered "stoneage protection".....sadly !!! |
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Gilad Refael
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Posted : Apr 29, 2003 19:31
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as soon as the method of ripping those will be published, (over forums and chats) this "sollution" will be useless.
and i assure you, even if cd's will cost 1$ each, there will be still people who won't buy at all. maybe 1 album is 1$ but 100 albums is alot more, so in mp3 it's cheaper.
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psicoprata
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Posted : Apr 29, 2003 20:00
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I think that if the record companies want to increase sales they should first lower a bit the price to attract more consumers. People are getting music for free, $15 dollars isn´t an interesting deal, but $10 would be a better deal, wouldnt it? Probably more people would buy some records then. The problem is that people are comfortable where they are, nobody will beleive on:
"Hey guys, start buying lots of cd´s and maybe sometime in the future prices will go down."
It depends on the record companies´ iniciative to stimulate the market and get the buyers´ interest in purchasing.
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traveller
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Posted : Apr 29, 2003 20:04
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On 2003-04-29 19:31, Gilad Refael wrote:
maybe 1 album is 1$ but 100 albums is alot more, so in mp3 it's cheaper.
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who the hell needs 100 albums? if you buy more than 4 albums a month u really don't appreciate the music that much for how the hell do you have the time to really listen to the music?
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nobody_3
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Posted : Apr 29, 2003 20:22
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On 2003-04-29 20:00, psicoprata wrote:
I think that if the record companies want to increase sales they should first lower a bit the price to attract more consumers. People are getting music for free, $15 dollars isn´t an interesting deal, but $10 would be a better deal, wouldnt it? Probably more people would buy some records then. The problem is that people are comfortable where they are, nobody will beleive on:
"Hey guys, start buying lots of cd´s and maybe sometime in the future prices will go down."
It depends on the record companies´ iniciative to stimulate the market and get the buyers´ interest in purchasing.
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Or maybe people would still just download the music for free?
It all depend on you my friend....
If you don't like the price of a product then don't buy it or find it cheaper somewhere else if you can..... Don't steal it !!!!
The labels use enough money on catching your attention through advertising, posters, stickers, video's, interviews ect.... It's up to yuo to buy the music or leave it alone !!!
I think i will go and steal myself a pair of jeans tomorrow. |
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snowflake
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Posted : Apr 29, 2003 20:51
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well, it seems like some of you guys are realy naive... you know, i guess most of you ppl if not all of you have a point... it's easier to burn, it's better to buy etc etc etc
but hold on for a sec check out some of the artists themselves, how many trax you know that contains a sample from a movie or tv show? where do you think that came from? you have owner wrights in here as well, do you think skazi for example ever paid the guys that made "fight club" a penny.... i guess not...
yeah i saw ppl here saying that they care about the trance scene dying and on the same note they say they don't care bout hollywood loosing money.... smells like double standarts to me!
and one more thing, in a country like israel where on every person that buys "windows" you have 10 (at least) that copy that.... so what can you expect.
one last thing. i personally used to work in a cd store and spand about half my sallary on cd's... it's godamn expensive.... and it's all cos of the middleman, i know i pay allot for a cd and i know as well that the artist get quite a small part of that. so i'll buy cd's just as respect for the artists, but for me it feels as wrong as getting them of soulseek or any other p2p progs!
my verdict: get rid of the middleman
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a good friend of mine had a lovely trance cd case that contained about 200 cds with over 60% original cd's and the case got stolen.... what would you do in his case? (i beleive using soulseek is part of the answer....)
anyway, mp3 are bad for the music industry, but as long as the music industry will stay as it is so will be mp3 be a part of it!!!!!
keep that in mind...
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psicoprata
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Posted : Apr 29, 2003 21:04
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Or maybe people would still just download the music for free?
It´s that maybe that doesn´t convince me, you keep saying that maybe that´s what´s gonna happen, are you sure??
Well then it seems that the music industry is also quite comfortable with their current status and doesn´t want to put some effort into making things change. I agree that mp3´s do harm the music industry, but it´s just plain stupid to assume that the consumers will do something about it, currently they have the better end of the deal. I´d be glad if i could give any suggestions that would work. You think just lowering the price won´t be enough, so what would? Maybe instead of complaining we should put our efforts into finding alternatives. Come on, all of us together can´t think of anything that might possibly mend this situation?!? I beg to differ.......
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Gilad Refael
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Posted : Apr 29, 2003 21:44
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traveller you wouldn't believe how obsessive people can get about these things...
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