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The Nature of A Trader...
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dj holy
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Posted : Apr 28, 2003 23:10
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ihope soon ...all the labes of psy muzik will be clozed
coz also anyway..this days only few ppl buy cd .most of them shar muzik with firend or trade.
and also i think is bulshit when ppl here come and speek and say seprot the artist and buy orignal cd. for to seport the artist.u want to seport the artist ok no problem go to the partys...and belive me u will seprot . . the artist need
to play the muzik in the partys and not for sale them muzik
to sale go and make house muzik..this scene is for money
but not trance
trance muzik need to be underground
and for to bacl the underground scene the labes need to clozed
and yo ppl from this furom .dont start and say i buy cd........98%from u not buy nothing
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A.Rosengren
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Posted : Apr 28, 2003 23:30
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On 2003-04-28 23:10, dj holy wrote:
ihope soon ...all the labes of psy muzik will be clozed
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this is just plain stupid man... plain fucking ignorance... sorry for the bad words but u realy pissed me off now, u are so full of shit man!
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omniholic
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Posted : Apr 28, 2003 23:58
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dj holy.you just seem to have no idea at all.do you think that selling trance was never about money?it was always just about selling enough copies to make the next release, enough money for the artists to put food on the table.while youre doing other things for your money the artists making the tunes you listen to at home or parties are in their studio.if the psychedelic trance stuff doesnt make the money for them anymore they will make other kind of music, for example house or commercial trance, simple as that.surely playing live is a very important part of the income, much more important than the record sales actually, but do you honestly think that if the albums dont sell at all anymore there will actually be a scene left for just the parties???
artists will compose music just to play live?
give it all away in the internet for free for YOU to play in your dj sets just because you sit at home and feel like having it?
show some respect at the people that are actually doing something for the scene instead of nagging and being full of shit. |
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dj holy
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Posted : Apr 28, 2003 23:58
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is my opinion |
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A.Rosengren
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Posted : Apr 29, 2003 00:07
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well we appreciate that u are trying to contribute something but man get the facts and start out from there!
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Luiz Paulo
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Posted : Apr 29, 2003 00:38
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Being stupid must be real nice, otherwise there wouldn't be so many of them in the world.
 the greatest trick the devil ever pulled was convincing the world he didn't exist.... |
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Namhaj
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Posted : Apr 29, 2003 09:28
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I really didn’t want to get involved in this discussion but DJ Holy’s flabbergasting ignorance has forced me.
You do realise mate that if no psy label exists, no psy music exists? Hello earth to MR “Holy”… that also means you cant download it anymore too… its amazing the pathetic reasoning some people can come up with for being a scab! As an artist myself, there is no way I will spend 1000’s of dollars on computers and software to give out my music for free on the net, im insulted that you can think in such a way! Money from gigs??? Maybe if you’re a big time artist that doesn’t live in a place like Australia, sure you could make some money from gigs, but this doesn’t mean that labels should just cave in and artist just give away their valuable art! Do you really want all your trance music to be only available in mp3? and dont tell me this crap that the human ear cant hear the difference between 256kbit mp3 and a full quality master, you really need to clean your ears out if you believe that.
Anders has pointed out with this thread the sad reality of the “trader”, and as Drooid has said, I commend him for “giving a shit” and not giving in, even tho this discussion has been beaten to near death.
The internet has brought about tremendous abilities, to be used for both negative or positive activities. Instead of the artists/labels/shops crying and whinging that the net is killing the music, they should utilise this new tool for its positive aspects. Just like any tool, it can be used for both good and bad doings, i.e. a hammer can be used to build a hospital, or in turn you can smack someone over the head with it.. see what I mean?
To an extent mp3 trading is fucking the music, no doubt there, but its also expanding it. For instance, I haven’t released a tune yet (soon, but not yet), yet there are quite a few people over the world who know my music (and actually like it!). These people would not know of my music at all if it wasn’t for the internet and mp3 trading.
Too sum it up, you gotta take the good with the bad, or you can die crying about the bad, its your choice.
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Jeff
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Posted : Apr 29, 2003 09:49
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Music just for parties... That was okay back in early 90's, when the scene was exclusively to be found on the shores of Goa, and you didn't need expensive gears to please the dancers' ears.
Things have changed a great deal since that period ; good for us who were not fortunate enough to spend our time on Anjuna Beach.
Who would have heard about psytrance without Dragonfly, TIP, Matsuri, Blue Room and the likes, apart from a bunch of neo-hippies on the Indian West coast ? |
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Gilad Refael
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Posted : Apr 29, 2003 16:55
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btw, i wanted to tell you (after seeing Sputer's comment) that i would've never bought a cd without reading these discussions here in isratrance. i just didn't understand how important it was.
gilad.
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yossi
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Posted : Apr 29, 2003 17:35
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its realy hard to educate ppl... specially ppl who dont give a fuck about quality and have the chioce between 0$ or 13-15$.
but when most of the ppl match this description...
maybe its useless.
to tell u the truth, i realy dont see any solution to this situation, and i dont see ppl that r spending hours upon hours in all thoese programs go back to the shops.
we woke up too late.
sad but true.
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nobody_3
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Posted : Apr 29, 2003 17:55
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As an artists I can easily say that I have a hate love relationship to mp3... On the one hand it's a cool tool for promotion but it's just been violated in the hands of the majority of people listening to trance (and music in general). So I will say that I ahte mp3 more than I like it !!!
I am sick and tired of all the "creative" excuses that people use for stealing our music. Ifpeople can afford to get a fast ADSL conenction, drugs, clothes and a car then they also can afford to buy the music !!! The problem is that people just dont have any ethics anymore and don't give a rats ass if the serious artists and labels wont survive........ "there's always a new kid with a cracked tracker program that will release some music no matter what the quality is"
PEOPLE JUST DON'T CARE ABOUT ANYTHING....IT'S CALLED EGOTISM !!!!!
Why buy when you can get it for free?
A part form teh obvious issue about loosing our income there's also teh issue about the quality of mp3.... As an artist I aim to produce the best peace of music as my taklent enable me to.... Therefore I don't want people to lsiten to some crappy mp3 quality.... I want them to experience the real deal !!!!!!
So to all the people that say that we the artists should just sell our music via websites I have this in respons... NO WAY !!! The quality is STILL not good enough !!!!
And if you can't afford to buy our product...well sorry but it's not my fault... Buy more CD';s and then maybe the labels and distruibutors sell enough to lower teh prices....One thing is for sure....they wont eb able to do that as long as you dont buy teh music !!!!!! Or even better - get a job or eat less or stop the drug abuse....
I don't go inside a shop and steal a pair of jeans just because I can't afford it......
I rest my case !!!!! |
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nobody_3
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Posted : Apr 29, 2003 18:00
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Sorry for all the spelling errors.
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Surrender
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Posted : Apr 29, 2003 18:08
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Buy more CD';s and then maybe the labels and distruibutors sell enough to lower teh prices....One thing is for sure....they wont eb able to do that as long as you dont buy teh music !!!!!!
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Elysium i just wanted to touch on that and say that even before the huge internet trading explosion, 1998... cd's were around the same prices as they are today, from 1985-2003 companies had time to reprice and lower cd's, they didnt. So buying more means nothing in this case. Dont get me wrong i agree that mp3's are killing the labels and therefore the artists, but it would be unwise to state untrue facts.
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nobody_3
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Posted : Apr 29, 2003 18:19
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Elysium i just wanted to touch on that and say that even before the huge internet trading explosion, 1998... cd's were around the same prices as they are today, from 1985-2003 companies had time to reprice and lower cd's, they didnt. So buying more means nothing in this case. Dont get me wrong i agree that mp3's are killing the labels and therefore the artists, but it would be unwise to state untrue facts.
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It's not an untrue fact that if people would buy more music the prices would also go down....
And I am not mentioning things I don't know anything about. I have been in the music business since 1985 !
Yes the prices were the same as they are today because there were a international agreement (most western countries signed the deal and those countries that were not included also set the prices according to the other countries) about the price setting at that time (as far as I rememeber the agreement was made in the early eighties and ended at the milennium) ... Today that agreement is no longer present and therefore it IS possible to lower the price quite drastically...It's now up to the individual distributor and country !
So again if people would buy insetad of stealing the music would quite possible becoem scheaper withing a period of time.... It's for sure that the prices WILL NOT become cheaper as long as people buy less and less music.... It's quite logical !!! |
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traveller
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Posted : Apr 29, 2003 18:24
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"It's not an untrue fact that if people would buy more music the prices would also go down...."
yeah right..
look how much for example the red hot chilipeppers or eminem albums are selling.. they still cost the same..
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