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Anak
Anakoluth
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Posted : Apr 28, 2003 11:42
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.... and thats the point people dont want to see. i also chat with some trading guys sometimes, and i usually start conversation but trading / downloading problem. i hear somethings like "artist should earn money with live acts", "its too expensive (....old point...)" or also things like "i dont want support music industry" which is really the dumbest thing i've ever heard.
some call themselves psyfreaks, but they have never bought a cd in whole live. they want the music, but they dont want to pay....its in the nature of a human to like free and fast things, but then i think Disrespect is also in human nature....
well, i'm especially sick of those "who have got little money" i'm 17 years old, i'm still in school, i havent found and apprentissage so far, and i buy new records almost everyweek. sometimes i just eat nothing for lunch to safe money to get me ne records. so all of the guy who have their jobs, their cars, their weekend enjoyment program...and say they have little money...dirty liors.  (well, mostly they also spend double the money for drugs, so i'm really asking me...)
peace out...download copy, whatever, but BUY...
cheers, Roman
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danger
IsraTrance Junior Member
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Posted : Apr 28, 2003 11:57
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1. to Apocalypse: selling mp3s on your sites is very funny, because it's the same as mp3 grabbing and then you can share the same quality what you've bought! so it's not the good way i think.
2. Shift's idea is very good, i would add that all the djs have to buy their cds and not download from the net, every label would see the difference!!! I think every psylover has at least 1 cd / month which is really worth to buy and if you can support your favourite labels and artists by this why don't you do that? all the young guys ll meet the situation in their life when they not get paid after their work...then please remember how many album have you bought...
3. if Psyshop is expensive for you why don't you try another online shops?
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krelm
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Posted : Apr 28, 2003 12:58
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I have seen a couple people say that it is very expensive to have things shipped to their country from psyshop.com if they do not have a credit card (using cash on delivery). You should check out Saikosounds. They have many more payment options (http://www.saikosounds.com/english/ordering_paying.asp).
I think with their paypal option, you only need a bank account and a paypal account (available in most western european countries, north america, a lot of asia, and Oz/NZ), which is very easy to set up.
This isn't to try to draw customers away from psyshop, but just offering a solution if the cash on delivery fees are too expensive to your country.
If you look hard enough, there is always a cheaper way to do it (that still pays the labels).
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krelm
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Posted : Apr 28, 2003 13:00
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Oh, and Saikosounds also has nice long samples of the songs (2.5 minutes). I will agree that 46 seconds is not enough for me to judge a track, but in most cases (naturally there are a couple exceptions), 2.5 minutes is sufficient.
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andrejcid
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Posted : Apr 28, 2003 14:52
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well, i'll try to say a few words of the situation in my country-Macedonia.
firstly, especially afetr the war crises, people can't really afford their selves to spend much, most of them don't have credit cards so its kind of hard...however thats not the main problem.
there are many many "true" trance lovers in my country who have a whole bounch of cd's (more than 200) and none of them is original. also not many people in my country can afford to spend 10 hours a day on net for downloading mp3's. hence, downloading does not have to be taken as a major granted problem.
although there is a law against piratism, almost ALL the cd shops sell pyrates and amongst them there are few cd shops which sell new trance cd's for 2EUR and ofcourse they are not original.
i've heard many coments from the famous mp3 dj's i.e. traders against these shops since they sell new music and everybody can have it so when they play, people won't be impressed. well i'd call these people selfish egoists & bastards. the problem is not about people hearing the music, if u ask me it's good when the trance lovers are updated with the current music. but the main problem here is the fact that these cd shops sell PYRATES! and when people have the oportunity to buy them, why should they worry about originals, cd's are being sold in cd shops and nobody can stop the people bying them. in this case i wouldn't say it's peoples fault.
i'm sure that most of the labels and artists who know their music is being sold without any authorisation don't really feel pleasant with this. so, LABELS & ARTISTS maybe u should start making some preventions, whenever u hear a cd shop is selling unauthorised music by u, maybe u should just make some preventions that might act catastrfic on the peculiar cd shops, but that's the right thing to do, and it would be a good lesson to all the similar cases (cd shops)
it was the same case with me before 2 years-i was trading and bying pyrates in the same time wasn't really aware of the impact that has on the trance scene. luckilly, for the past two years i've been living in Greece where i have the chance to buy almost every cd i'm looking for, and in these two years i bought more than 100 originals...ok thats something else...
so, labels whenever u find out for a cd shop selling unothrised copies of your music, maybe it's time to take some actions for which we should all help realise and participate in various ways.
and artists, when u find out that an unreleased track of yours is being traded, try to release it as fast as possible, which is something that somebody already mentioned...
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Jeff
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Posted : Apr 28, 2003 17:00
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mp3 downloading is harming the scene, no question about that.
What I'm wondering is : how far ?
I read somewhere on this forum that psytrance labels sales had fallen from 50% in 2001 (or 2002, I don't remember the precise year). This seems to be an enormous figure, and makes me wonder how so many labels are still active today if this is true.
Has anyone reliable info on that ?
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Surrender
IsraTrance Team
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Posted : Apr 28, 2003 17:35
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On 2003-04-27 22:29, A.Rosengren wrote:
well im glad u are so positive berserx, u realy lift me up.................................................
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Anders, Nothing personal meant here, dont take it like that  but before im an optimist or a pessimist, i'm a realist.
"On the other hand, you have different fingers."
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Panzer
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Posted : Apr 28, 2003 18:07
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What surprises me is that a niche genre like psy seems to attract so many ppl. From what i've seen thus far on SLSK, psytrance is without doubt the hottest and biggest thing there...
Although many lamers and assholes occupy the chat channels...There seem to be quite a few that know what they are talking about. Ask a question about some obscure act from 1994 and guaranteed you'll get the right answer. Also lots of knowledge about music making is available.
BTW the Finnish scene has a Suomi channel on SLSK for promotion...
Its not necessarily ONLY damaging the scene. But in the end someone must buy the releases to keep the scene alive... |
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A.Rosengren
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Posted : Apr 28, 2003 18:43
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its not a problem in distribution, interactive distribution is not an option, shift has the best idea so far... if everyone bought 1 cd ever month the scene would grow stronger! i buy lots of cd´s every month! trance is my life and id like to keep my life alive! dont u?
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Sputer
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Posted : Apr 28, 2003 18:59
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On 2003-04-28 18:43, A.Rosengren wrote:
...trance is my life and id like to keep my life alive! dont u?
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ya and u really think the traders give a shit about what u saying 
..."Be yourself, let your conscience guide you...
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drooid
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Posted : Apr 28, 2003 19:32
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ya and u really think the traders give a shit about what u saying
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Probably not, sputer, but its great to see people like Anders giving a damn and not just giving up and caving in to the mp3 mafia
although trance in all forms is becoming hugely popular in australia, all the record shops have stopped importing psy cd's and two specialist psy shops have closed their doors in the last month. Online Shopping [the paying way!!] is pretty much the only option left to us aussies. |
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Goblim
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Posted : Apr 28, 2003 19:41
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I dont think its possible to stop downloading. I think we shall start from there, from a point of view where the psytrance scene maybe looks very small, but it will get bigger.
For me it seems the scene has just gotten bigger and bigger all the time...
That the scene will "die" is not likely when there are more labels and releases every year.
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psicoprata
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Posted : Apr 28, 2003 19:57
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I agree that trading mp3´s is bad for the trance scene, but i must say that here in Brazil it´s quite hard to purchase trance cd´s. There are only a few shops that sell mostly cd´s from the brazilian trance scene and some releases from other countries, but these usually are the more popular ones such as GMS, 1200 Mics and so on....
Sometimes the shops import a few new releases which tend to cost 2 or 3 times more expensive and the variety is also quite lame. If someone from Brazil wants to buy from an online shop, the price of the cd´s turn out to be quite expensive as well: our local currency is worth 3 times less than dollar or euro so the prices of each cd is tripled and over that price we still have to pay 60% of import taxes. Fortunately there are a few local record labels that are starting to manufacture in Brazil releases from other countries, but that is evolving in a really slow pace and there´s still not nearly enough variety of cd´s and they all tend to be released with a fair amount of delay from the release dates in their origin country. Besides all that i do buy originals when i have the chance, but i must say that most brazilians probably download music instead of buying because of how dificult and expensive it is to get trance cd´s in Brazil. |
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A.Rosengren
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Posted : Apr 28, 2003 20:12
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On 2003-04-28 18:43, A.Rosengren wrote:
...trance is my life and id like to keep my life alive! dont u?
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ya and u really think the traders give a shit about what u saying
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maybe i can affect just 1, then i would be happy!
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salvia_divinorum
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Posted : Apr 28, 2003 22:44
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i'm 17 years old, i'm still in school, i havent found and apprentissage so far, and i buy new records almost everyweek. sometimes i just eat nothing for lunch to safe money to get me ne records. so all of the guy who have their jobs, their cars, their weekend enjoyment program...and say they have little money...dirty liors. (well, mostly they also spend double the money for drugs, so i'm really asking me...)
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like you, I'm 17, I'm still in school, and I'd have to stop having lunch for at least a month to get enough money to buy a cd... and I don't take drugs... hmm...
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