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The Nature of A Trader...
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A.Rosengren
Solid Snake
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Posted : Apr 27, 2003 19:52
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Welcome to my little private science project.
First off all i would like to thank all the little scene killers who attended at this new software thing i based my studies upon called Soulseek.
For me trading music has been a little flaw to the trance scene as it is today... Go back 10 years and money was no worries in the world of trance, it was all about love and peace and respect and of course unity, as we all know it PLUR... Ive been pretty curious how these things work since i have never been into the deal myself so i decided i should go undercover and do some research, i downloaded Soulseek and connected, joined the psychedelic trance room and started talking to people, and wow these guys are the real maffia. We are talking more than 500 files shared and above... So i mainly started out with a little innocent message like this: Does anyone here buy the music they like? and i got several answers such as "Yes i do buy what i like because i like originals" and of course i got my eyes on some more immature answers such as "u can push yourself into me" "hahaha re u kidding" "well i buy cigarettes" "u are gay" and so on and so on, this realy bothered me so i thought i might try and alter my tacticts... i posted out like this "i have the new unreleased GMS tracks and Skazi tracks" and as i expected i got over 10 personal messages such as "do u wanna trade" "please let me trade i have new talamascas" and such messages... i started to play with these guys and said that i wanted the new tracks from Mind Solutions (which of course was a name i made up to see if people have any descensy left to atleast be honest about their habits) well it didnt take more than 15minutes until i got a new private message from one of the guys that said "man look in my files i have some new killer unreleased Mind Solutions" well the man was right he had over 10 unreleased Mind Solutions track, i was shocked and more than happy to tell him that he had done a great job renaming those tracks into Mind Solutions tracks... And he became realy angry at me and called me several things i should not mention in this forum... so the story goes on, i sent out a new post about a new room i created called PROGGRESSIVE TRANCE which turned out to be less than intresting for the people connected at soulseek servers, i altered my tacticts again and started mumbling something about unreleased killers and recorded dj sets from several full-on-psychedelic dj´s, this realy was a good bait... Once again i got several private messages about trading and such things... until i told these guys i was lying and was only intrested in why these people where doing as they where. some people just left and didnt say a word, some people where honest and told me some things about themselfs such as the usual "im 13 years old live in israel and i have no money so i have to download" well my name is anders i am 20 years old i dont have money for food so i steal it, i have no car so i take cabs and run away from the payment, i have no internet so i go to internet cafés and runaway from the payment... guys we are all aware of the saying: "Trance is just not a musical genre, trance is a lifestyle" well if u wanna be a part of this lifestyle i think its time we take our responsibility and pay for what we take. This scene is slowly but safely dying atleast what i saw on soulseek, and what the big labels and distributers keeps telling us, if we dont take the next step and grow stronger and wiser soon we will not have the oppurtunity to buy music cus there will be no music... U will not be able to download it cus u have already donwloaded the music which you couldve bought to let the new musician shoe u what he got, but u didnt give him that chance which is both you´re and his loss... its time we gave the music a second chance and forget about: "trance has nothing to do with money" cus it does... no doubt about it....
i leave u here with my last statement...
Give trance a chance....
A
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traveller
IsraTrance Senior Member
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Posted : Apr 27, 2003 20:18
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nice story there but looks like you have never ever in your whole life bought a "bad" cd..
i've bought several and came to realize that i want to listen to the music before i buy it, and 40 second sample really just isn't enough..
 "The dinosaurs became extinct because they didn't have a space program."
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Sputer
IsraTrance Senior Member
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Posted : Apr 27, 2003 20:20
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Nice research... remind me Amnon Levi show in Channel 2....... 
edit :: Im with traveller.......... ..."Be yourself, let your conscience guide you...
Follow your heart, not the people around you"... |
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full_on
IsraTrance Team
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Posted : Apr 27, 2003 20:23
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Unfortunatelly soulseek got more member each day, hundred chat rooms, some billion tracks shared in different musical styles. It's not a "trance only" problem.
There are different kind of users... Must users just wanna take some tracks they heard about, mainly old tracks (or they wanna listen before buy new stuff)...
And some users use Soulseek just to make contacts, they trade "their" mp3 by ftp, only to trade. They have all unreleased tracks ever posted on out TOP 10. And they will only trade it for another unreleased... I believe these are the guys that are not giving trance a chance, they are professional mp3 traders...
Specialised groups of traders (5 to 6 members), sharing their files among theirselves and trading with other people. Don't know if they're DJs or are in this thing just to show off... They're thieves hiding behind their nicknames...
But we can do nothing else than not trade or not use Soulseek (or delete our TOP 10 session  ). If you ask them to stop, they'll laught at you... It's like that Miraculix track: "You can't stop them!!!" 
Well, my two cents...
Respect!
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...Dance like nobody's watching...
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Zombi
IsraTrance Senior Member
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Posted : Apr 27, 2003 20:34
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On 2003-04-27 20:18, traveller wrote:
nice story there but looks like you have never ever in your whole life bought a "bad" cd..
i've bought several and came to realize that i want to listen to the music before i buy it, and 40 second sample really just isn't enough..
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visited once at record shop ?? saw there headphones connected to decks ?? use it !!!! then u will not buy "bad" cds, go out of your own pc and travel around ther city for looking for some tasty cd to make your week lighter !!
@andres - i was thinking about we will come to soulseek and such programms make a BIIIG mess there, talking shit around and trade some very banalic trax to make ppl be not so sure they want spend their days infront the pc but may be work a bit and save money for buying their music.
@all - dunno, cant u release that when u hear mp3 file u may be hear 60% of sound quality its supposed to be ?? and after that u come to cd review section to say somebody have bad sound ?? poor minds ...
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traveller
IsraTrance Senior Member
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Posted : Apr 27, 2003 21:24
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let's not get to the mp3 sound quality issue for it happens to be that normal ear really can't tell a difference between the original cd and 256kbps encoded mp3..
@Zombi
first of all this it's a lot easier..
second of all trance cds are not sold everywhere here.. more like in 3 or 4 shops.. and i don't happen to live next to any of them.. takes like atleast an hour to get there..
"The dinosaurs became extinct because they didn't have a space program."
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Zombi
IsraTrance Senior Member
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Posted : Apr 27, 2003 21:27
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may be i have not "normal" ear but i hear mp3 and master difference after 7-9 sec. max.
only after u usual to get your music at original format u release what a big difference it is.
also 256 kbs, 360 kbs and etc its a resolution of the file, the real difference in quality of your mp3 motivated by the upload source..
and im not happen to live next to any record shop also (or at least not the shop that give me funky smile when i get in), so i have no problem go once a week to other city to buy records.. Believe your soul ! |
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Sputer
IsraTrance Senior Member
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Posted : Apr 27, 2003 21:28
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I have question to the artists/labels.......
Do u care if ppl download your CD's but also buy iT 
..."Be yourself, let your conscience guide you...
Follow your heart, not the people around you"... |
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A.Rosengren
Solid Snake
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Posted : Apr 27, 2003 21:30
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do u think the dowloads can go equal with sold cds???
get a headcheck...
A
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Zombi
IsraTrance Senior Member
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Posted : Apr 27, 2003 21:33
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@sputer - im not a artist or label but i can say u for sure that nobody have problems if ppl will buy cds. download it, get it from friends, burn, write,do whatever u want, just dont forget the main source - buy. and i dont mean 1 or 2 cd per year. have a safe proportion of buying and dl and its already will be a much better. as u know there is ALOT ppl that just NEVER buy cds or buy one per year, sorry but its pure stealing.
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Sputer
IsraTrance Senior Member
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Posted : Apr 27, 2003 21:33
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dont know if this is the place, but I see we discuss about trading....
So, IsraTrance Team, If u put some new rules in the Top 10 section to stop the trading & bullshit just go & check the Unidentified section... the same case there
..."Be yourself, let your conscience guide you...
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Sputer
IsraTrance Senior Member
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Posted : Apr 27, 2003 21:38
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@zombi - well I sure canT tell u about all the ppl cuz I dont know. I know ppl that buy and ppl who dont buy.
We discussed about this subject many times before and I sure we will discuss in the future again.... But U know, Nothing can change that.
Ppl will always download mp3s,games,movies etc...
..."Be yourself, let your conscience guide you...
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Zombi
IsraTrance Senior Member
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Posted : Apr 27, 2003 21:39
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its not the same.. its a alot worse..
if at top10 section enough only one simple rule enough to close the whole discussion how we stop the shit going out there and its - if u r not artist u can NOT put any unreleased trak on your top and if u will u NEVER will able post another top 10,
so at undefined section its just paradise for all those who get their trax without name or so shameful fakes and run to check who other got same shit.
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Zombi
IsraTrance Senior Member
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Posted : Apr 27, 2003 21:41
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On 2003-04-27 21:38, Sputer wrote:
@zombi - well I sure canT tell u about all the ppl cuz I dont know. I know ppl that buy and ppl who dont buy.
We discussed about this subject many times before and I sure we will discuss in the future again.... But U know, Nothing can change that.
Ppl will always download mp3s,games,movies etc...
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yes, sure.. i just dont realy care about hollywood cash position, and in opposite i has some sad expirience at last year by lost some very lovely labels that fucked up by our trader trend.
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Shroomy
Homegrown Lifeform
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Posted : Apr 27, 2003 22:06
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On 2003-04-27 20:34, Zombi Cocktail wrote:
visited once at record shop ?? saw there headphones connected to decks ?? use it !!!! then u will not buy "bad" cds, go out of your own pc and travel around ther city for looking for some tasty cd to make your week lighter !!
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I visit record shops all the time, but no record shop in my town have any psytrance cds... And if they have any, it's always the less good Goa Head comps, or maybe Astral P - Amen... I've bought a few without listening, and I'm for sure not gonna do that again unless I'm confident that it's a quality disk...
Norwegian online shops have very few psytrance cds as well... You can get Hallucinogen, Infected and Astral and that's about it...
Norway also has higher VAT than most countries (24%), plus when you order from abroad, say Psyshop, you need customs clearance on anything which value exceeds NOK 200,- which is ~ USD 30,-.
(There has been some debates lately about increase this limit tho... )
An example: The last time I ordered from Psyshop I ordered 3 cds for a total of USD 30 and I had to pay USD 25 to get it through customs and then on top the VAT was added... 
So I have to carefully select which cds to buy each time, and that doesn't make me take chances on cds that I ain't sure are good... |
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